RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm
(This post was last modified: December 27, 2014 at 9:53 pm by Bad Wolf.)
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Apologise for what?
The only reason that the concept of privalige is brought up in debates, conversations or arguments is to make the other person feel guilty. Someone who does not recognise the underhanded tactic that this is, will feel guilty and feel the need to apologise for being white, or being straight, or being middle class.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Are you saying we shouldn't fight against racism, homophobia or sexism/misogyny?No. You need to stop trying to put words in my mouth.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Privilege is not how society treats you, it's when you are treated positively because of factors that you didn't contribute to and that have little to no relevance to the treatment you receive
Treatment by? Oh that's right: society.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: You're saying blacks should be more careful just because they were born black.
Yes. As I have already explained twice now I think, black people are targeted more frequently by the police and are often met with extreme and unneccessary shows of force. Black people are aware of this discrimination. This is just how the world works. Now lets use an example since you don't seem to understand this. If my boss didn't like me, and was looking for any reason to fire me (the smallest reason at all, maybe being late for work), assuming I enjoy my job, I would arrive at work 15 minutes before I need to be there, I would work extra hard as to not give my boss any excuse to fire me. Black people are aware that the police are looking for any excuses to arrest them or harras them, they should therefore alter their behaviour as to not even give the police a whif. I know it's not fair, but that's the way it is.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: You're saying they should be afraid
No, i'm saying they should be smart.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: instead of fighting against stereotypes.
No. Where the hell did you get this from? At what point did I indicate that they shouldn't fight against stereotypes?
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Not victimhood, it's frustrationRubbish, you need to watch the interviews of rioters in Ferguson. They quite literally say they don't trust white people.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: - How would you react if a member of your community was killed without reason?
I wouldn't start a riot and loot and damage my own town.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: And why does that single situation prove anything at all? It's not about being the victim, it's because you are saying blacks need to be extra careful just because they are black - They don't, they need to be as careful as whites, latinos or asians, they should be treated equally,
They should be treated equally but they aren't. Because of the very real discrimination against them. I'm sorry but it's like you're denying that they are discriminated against? The only way that discrimination against them is going to stop, is if they stop backing up racist and prejudice viewpoints by commiting crimes.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: you are saying that because you're white (probably) and you've never experienced being constantly discriminated directly or indirectly because of your skin colour.
Oh look, I can't understand something or i'm wrong because i'm white. I think you spend too much time on tumblr.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Accepting discrimination is not the issue - Protests and demonstrations/riots like those are perpetuated by people everywhere around the world, why is a riot by blacks suddenly so important after, let's say, so many Greeks got into riots to protest against the government (they're mostly white)?
Seriously? How can you even compare the two? Ferguson rioted because Micheal Brown (a theif) was killed by a white police officer. They think it was because the cop was racist. Something that there is very little proof of. They reacted by following in Browns footsteps and robbing local businesses.
The Greeks protested and rioted because of the plan to cut public spending and raise taxes in exchange for a bail out of the Greek debt crisis.
A bit different than an unconfirmed piece of racial discrimination.
(December 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: This is not, I repeat, about being a victim, this is about fighting against stereotypes and proving they are not an adequate mean of judging an entire group. Conforming to the problem is the best solution to not solve it.
And that is exactly what Ferguson did, they conformed to the problem of black stereotypes and doing exactly what prejudiced cops expected them to do: commit crimes.
I don't know how else I can word it for you. If you're black, don't drive around with weed in your pocket, if you get caught, you are just confirming the cops preconcieved prejudices. Don't join a gang, don't sell drugs, don't walk around with weapons. It's that simple. It's not fair but that's the way it works. Racists will overlook and ignore any evidence that doesn't match to their pre-conceieved ideas about black people but will take very seriously any evidence that agrees with their ideas. That's just the way it is.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech