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My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
Quote:Really? That's why more than 90% of sexual objectification is directed towards females.
You're right, the correct statistic is 96%... http://newyorksociologist.org/11/Berberick2011.pdf.

In fact, there's studies that prove women are perceived as sex objects or by their body parts rather than as a whole, contrary to men, it is necessary to put some effort to remain ignorant to deny this. I know that because I've perceived women based on their individual body parts due to media and social influence, so I'm not guilt free - You have studies from Philip Bernard, check them out.


Quote:commercials don't objectify male bodies
Never intended to say commercials don't objectify anyone who is male, just that they are not the majority. Oh and out of those 4 only the last one objectifies - The other 3 just show sexuality - Did you at least see the video to learn how to distinguish between social objectification and simply showing your sexuality? I've already said showing up naked isn't objectifying, it depends on the context and that's how the media works. Simply showing up naked isn't objectifying like the following add that breeds submission and passiveness to promote a product:
http://testdb.msmagazine.com/blog/wp-con...bbana.jpeg

Quote:If you're not ugly you wouldn't know, if you are and you live in a utopia where other people don't judge you on how you look even if you're ugly then I guess you're pretty lucky. In fact I really want to move to where you live where white middleclass people get all these privileges, never objectified, never joked about, never the butt of racist jokes, you're in a high paid job because you're white. Give me the destination I want to go there.
I don't live in a paradise. It's not about the utopia, the pressure on men is directed towards being successful and making money mostly - I hear my male friends, old and young saying it all the time - With money you can have power, and success bring happiness - Society doesn't put the number one pressure on how pretty you look.
Quote:Off the top of my head now I can name about 10 male celebrities, who my female friends idolize who I will NEVER be as good looking as either facially or body wise. If this is a male privilage not effecting men then you would think there would be less men at the gym constantly slaving away for the perfect body.
Men are the gym because it's healthy or because they want to have a good body, that's perfectly acceptable, never questioned that. But the obsession they have is nowhere near the same as women. My value is not placed on my body, but on my success, and I know society thinks like that.
Quote:Not to mention just trends that pop up that groups of men follow instantly, women say they like beards, click their fingers and its funny, a trend of lots and lots of men with beards starts. But I mean that's a separate topic altogether I suppose, that rant can be saved for another time.
I get that, but there's taste for every person - That's not the point, the point is that the media constantly bombards us with a beauty ideal that is much more elaborated for females - That's with the sole intent of selling clothes, beauty products and everything related to it - Why do you think so many women have eating disorders compared to men? (I know that men have it too). Why do you think so many females complain that they don't have the perfect body - Because they are too skinny, fat, have curly hair, don't have blonde hair, or need a breast implant? I don't see men obsesses by their looks as much as women, if anything men groom themselves appropriately but most don't put that much effort. I'm average height and weight, average looking and I'm not giving a shit about if I look good or not, mostly because I date and I'm happy, and because I wasn't shown pictures and magazines since I was a kid full of men always with the same almost impossible to reach body type - In fact most pictures of men I saw as a kid were about politicians and other successful people dressed in suits and happy, something that directed me towards success.

(December 28, 2014 at 1:46 pm)TaraJo Wrote:
(December 28, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Blackout Wrote: I've actually watched some Laci Green videos and I'm not very fond of her, not because she's wrong, she's mostly not, but because I don't like the way she speaks and exposes things - But I always get surprised how a pro-equality feminism article or video is bound to have death and rape threats - A good example would be gamespot's review calling GTA V sexist with arguments supporting the view - Luckily gamespot said they were ashamed to be associated with people who have made those comments.

If we're going to get into a contest over who has more bad behavior, trust me, the Laci Green incident is just the tip of the iceberg. Remember Donglegate? An internet feminist overheard guys talking, publicly shamed them and got one of them fired for it. You want to keep going? Plebcomics is a webcomic that made fun of the more extreme SJW's and some of them got so offended that they called the creators employer and had her fired (the webomic is currently down, but you can do a simple google search for 'plebcomics' to see some of her stuff). Melody Hensley, internet feminist, claimed she got PTSD from twitter and when soldiers complained to her that she was devaluing the experiences of people who actully have PTSD from legitimately traumatic experiences (like being in combat or having a vehicle you're in explode), she called their CO to try to get them court marshaled. A pro-equality mens' group tries to have a speaking event at the University of Toronto and a feminist group turns it into a riot, ending with someone pulling a fire alarm, feminists cheering and then a bunch of guys being chastised outside. Meg Lankier-Simmons sent and anonymous rape threat to herself and used it as evidence that rape isn't taken seriously enough by her school and instigated several feminist rallies around it before authorities realized she sent the threat herself. A blogger using the alias 'Biting Beaver' publicly admitted regret over not aborting her son when she caught him looking at porn on the internet. And these are just off the top of my head.

Yes, a lot of people hate feminism and social justice on the internet. That's because there is a LOT of bad behavior in the name of social justice or feminism. So if you're going to pretend that everyone is hostile towards your little group, maybe it would be beneficial to try and figure out why everyone people are that hostile.
I don't actually think that behaviour is representative of most population of feminists, just like atheists who think religious people should be executed and religion should be banned are not the majority of worldwide atheists - I think people notice more bad behaviour and label the whole group because of it. It's true that 9gag or reddit are full of posts and people, mostly young males, claiming feminism sucks because feminists only want to oppress males and they say feminism is a threat to public safety, among other idiot comments - This tendency among young men is as disgusting as feminazis who claim women should be superior, but feminazis are not feminists, they are an exception, they don't fight for equality - If you go into a feminist writer, or bloger, you'll see that not only are all problems directed towards equality, but that they worry about men's frequently, for instance male circumcision, or male rape victims shaming.

I think we should stop judging all movements just because some people claim to be a part of them and do dumb shit.

Quote:Yes it's nowhere near comparable because men are much MUCH more forced to compete than women are, just look at school yard games, from an early age girls stereotypically tend to skip rope, dance, play hop scotch, dress up, play house, all co operative games. What do boys do? Well in my school if you were a boy and you weren't fighting, wrestling, trying to out run or out play other boys at football you were considered strange.
You just demonstrated that gender roles still exist. I wasn't doing any of those things because I wasn't genuinely interested, and because of that I had few friends - You know why that happened? Because a concept of masculinity that is pretty stupid was imposed to me. Why is it like this? I'm talking about hate between females and not between people, it's true that women slut shame each other when they should be there for each other, and it's stupid it happens - There's no reason for it - Men compete, but they form bonds of friendship and the media doesn't tell them they should be mad at each other because, let's say, they love the same girl. Not that it doesn't happen, but men take pride into their friendships and sometimes they prefer it to the girl.
Quote:Men are much more likely to be mocked because of the lack of women they sleep with, but also can be ostracised for sleeping around aswell just not as much as women, it still doesn't make it a privilege to be a man in this aspect.
It does, and why can I get mocked for not sleeping around with women and women are complete whores if they have sex with more than 1 male until they are older (more than 20 years old)? And why is female virginity so important compared to male virginity that should be lost, as soon as possible? That's right, gender roles, one side should be aggressive and the other passive. And that sucks, why can't we all have sex with everyone we want too?
Quote:No because males are more aggressive than their female counterparts in most species of great apes, I could be wrong but I think it's the case in most mammals, and I've never seen an orangutan being influenced by a woman's magazine, or a female chimp that was going to dominate her group until she got told by another chimp it's just a boys thing.
Yes, but that doesn't make it wrong for female species to be agressive sometimes, or for males to be emotional or more passive from time to time.
Quote:Or just a pervert, a man wearing tight pants that blatantly show his cock in a public area is more likely to be viewed as a sexual deviant, or like you say a homosexual, even if he isn't one. Therefore not a male privilege to go around wearing revealing clothing.
It's true, but we aren't associated with sluts, we are associated with gays, or with sexual deviant behaviour, we aren't considered pieces of meat that everyone can bang. And that's what happens what girls - I'm a man, I've done that to them, so I know it happens, I've treated a lot like a piece of meat and nothing else. I'm guilty.
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RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male - by Dystopia - December 28, 2014 at 3:40 pm

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