(January 3, 2015 at 9:19 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: de·stroyDefinitions are determined by usage. It would appear that you fail to understand that a single word may have multiple meanings:
dəˈstroi/
verb
verb: destroy; 3rd person present: destroys; past tense: destroyed; past participle: destroyed; gerund or present participle: destroying
put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.
I'm so, so, SO sorry for thinking that things like "definitions" should not be based on personal subjective whims; I should have assumed immediately that you meant some roundabout bullshit, especially with how very clear you made it!
Readily found at Dictionary.com
destroy
verb(used with object)
4. to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
5. to defeat completely.
If you were unsure of my meaning, asking politely often garners more civil responses.
I am assuming that you were apologizing sarcastically, but I will accept
your apology nevertheless. If this assumption is incorrect, please clarify.
Creed of Heresy Wrote:We've only just begun in the last five or six years to work on addressing the problems with inequityIt would appear that you missed much of any history class you've taken.
Perhaps the Magna Carta rings a bell?
Emancipation proclamation?
Civil rights marches of the '60s?
If you think inequities have only been addressed for five or six years, then
your perspective is limited by more than your human chauvinism. You
seem to feel you have a full handle on not only what the problems are, but
exactly how to handle them. You are not alone in this.
The one percenters think they know.
True believing religionists think they know.
True racists think they know.
You think you know.
Creed of Heresy Wrote:I look at science and technology, and I see humanity reaching for both its own salvation, and for the preservation and enabling of the world(s) on which we live.And it is your misplaced and nearsighted pride which leads you to this position.
Science and technology over the last 300 years is what has given those you
despise, those nominally in charge, the tools with which to destabilize the
ecosystems of the planet. Whether it be climate change, reduction of the
genetic inheritance or nuclear winter, religion over millenia has done
minimal damage. Science and technology OTOH has brought us to the brink
of our own elimination. It's not my doing, it is all of ours.
The planet needs no saving, it will do well enough without us.
Quote: Elephants don't have standpoints and pigs can't agree or disagree.
JuliaL Wrote:Citation needed.No, that's a negative assertion. You are the one that implied elephants have standpoints and pigs can disagree with us.
The evidence used not only by me but by experts in the field is the same in
kind as that used when I grudgingly accept that you have a mind. Elephant societies are as complex as primate societies.
http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/elephant-culture
They teach their children.
They mourn their dead.
Your ignorance of these facts does not nullify them.
For further study, I recommend you take the advice of Abaris above, google is your friend.
Creed of Heresy Wrote:Basically, you are a pessimistic defeatist who has written off all of humanity as bad because of the actions of the select choice few who have more power than the rest of us.I prefer to think of myself as a Cassandra who speaks truly but is never
believed. We are at a point where triage may be the only option. My
memory says that some of the climatologists were saying oh, 20 years ago
or so that 360ppm of atmospheric CO2 is a point of no return where we
can expect effects to snowball such as clathrate release, reduced polar
albedo from loss of sea ice and shutdown of the Atlantic conveyor. We've
hit 400. http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate...it-400-ppm
Some of these things have come to pass, others not. The ice is well on its
way out with the concomitant sea level rise and I understand that CH3
fountains have started up in the arctic. So it goes. Whether this is
because of the actions of a few or the inaction of the many to stop them is
immaterial. It's happening, super storm Sandy and the worst typhoon
ever to hit land in the Philappines make nice bookends for the opening act.
Business as usual, everybody play nice, we're all humans here doesn't look
like it's going to cut it.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?