(January 3, 2015 at 12:16 am)Surgenator Wrote: Prove that consciousness can exist without a brain. Or do you think it is an amazing coincidence that consciousness only arises in brains, and no longer noticed when the brain is dead. Or that altering the brain directly affects consciousness. Some amazing coincidence as if consciousness springs out of the brain.
It is obvious that when you are alive consciousness need the body and the brain to be perceived but as thousand of NDEs tell us consciousness doesn't need the brain anymore when the body-brain are no longer there.
If you refuse to believe in these NDEs that is then your problem as it is your problem to believe that NDEs are hallucinations.
Quote:Self awareness doesn't tell you anything about the environment you live in. Self awareness just tells you that you exist, nothing more. The ability to view yourself in someone elses shoes is what helps you determine if an action is "wicked" path.
Your analysis doesn't take in consideration the vision factor.
I already explained how the system works.
Just as the clouds prevent the sun to shine also a limited amount of consciousness prevent the divinity within the be perceived.
There is a huge difference between be aware that you exist and be aware that you are God.
Suppose the consciousness vision goes from 0 to 10.
Little consciousness could be 1 while the total amount of consciousness equal to 10.
When you say............ Self awareness just tells you that you exist, nothing more........you fail very badly.
Everybody is different.
You can not say that what you perceive is what everybody else perceive.
Your judgement is total garbage.
If you never build up a relationship with the divinity within then you will never understand how the system works.
Quote:The "real" definition is the establish definition. It is really amazing on how you don't understand this simple concept.
Sorry mate.
Today is not your day.
Religions define what is the truth but as we know their so called truth are just a load of dogma or false truth.
At the same time the established definition that you are talking about follow the same fate.
After hundred or thousand of years that they first sprang out somebody mouth their original meaning has changed in order to please new waves of cultural criteria so these definitions can not possibly be called REAL DEFINITION because the real definition is only the one who first sprung out the mouth of the person who first gave a meaning but again you are free to think otherwise.



Quote:A though doesn't necessary dictate action or it is follow by action however it does dictate a reaction regardless.
This of course according to the karma system.
Quote:I'm beginning to think I'm wasting my time when you can't even answer a yes or no question.
Didn't i tell you that today is not your best day?
Sorry surgen, you fail once again,
To answer your question with a yes or a no wouldn't make any sense.
Sometime a though dictate or is follow by an action, other time it doesn't as people either change their mind or realize that they will not be able to materialize an action.
So yes sometime and no other times.
Quote:The researchers have testible, repeatable experiments that give predictions. Predictions made by them are tested and confirmed. You don't have anything of the sort. Learn what evidence is before you claim to have any.
What a load of garbage surgen.
This remind me of a chap that i met years ago.
He was working for palmolive soaps.
We had a discussion about using animal fats to make soap compared to using vegetarian fats.
He said that if you analyse the fats there want be any differences as both contain the same elements.
Why then i asked a soap made with animal fat and without perfume stinks while a soap made with vegetarian fat (still without perfume) does not stinks?
If the elements are the same they both should give the same smell.
That is the time that i realize that was a waste of time trying to argue with people which knowledge only related to this material-physical world.
The same problem that Sacks and all other bunch of idiots make all the time.
For them the dimension outside this physical world is non existing so according to them they are all hallucinations.
These researchers keep on masturbating their brains especially when they find other idiots that came up with the same conclusions.

Quote:You are just trying to walk up on an escalator that is going down, and you don't realize it.
The real hallucination emerge when you think that it is the devil that push you to do the wrong thing when in reality is you that choose to give up the fight for freedom.