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[Little Rik]

It is obvious that when you are alive consciousness need the body and the brain to be perceived but as thousand of NDEs tell us consciousness doesn't need the brain anymore when the body-brain are no longer there.
If you refuse to believe in these NDEs that is then your problem as it is your problem to believe that NDEs are hallucinations.

No, Riketto, no. They are called Near Death Experiences because the person is not dead. NDEs occur in not dead brains.

Gee, here we got an expert in NDEs.

Please Mr Expert tell me what should we do with the doctors that declare a person dead when in fact is not dead?
Shell we get rid of all of them and get an expert like you to find out whether these people are dead or not?

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If you refuse to believe in the non-verifiability of NDEs, then that is your problem to realize they are hallucinations.

And your evidence that they are hallucination is.......?
Oh, sorry i forgot about Sacks.

Translation: "There are these mental blocks that prevents to go into a full delusional state. The more you tap into delusions, the smarter, wiser and stronger you will feel. Your delusion and my delusion will not be the same, but that doesn't mean that they are less real. If you never delude yourself, then you will never understand how deluded people think."

Delusions need a lot of mental energy to survive.
After sometime the strain bring the mind to the brute realty.
On the contrary the real things do not suck any energy from your mind
and therefore they last for long time.
But again how would you know what is the difference between the two when your mind is confined to the physical reality only?

You thinking that you have special knowledge on what happen "hundred or thousand of years" ago doesn't make you right. Your special knowledge is nonsence until you can prove it. Unless you can prove the "original" meaning, you are wasting my time with this pointless discussion. Not to mention, the meaning of words do change overtime as society changes. For example the word fag. Look up the history of this word. The fact you cannot use modern terms to argue your point shows that your point is wrong.

You are no different from a religious person.
Both of you are entrenched in dogmas.
For you guys the establish truth is the real truth.
Sometime ago i asked a doctor the meaning of the word CANCER.
He wouldn't know. I had to explain to him.
Do you know where the word MANGO (the fruit) come from?

Oh sweet irony. Have you ever heard of Dunning–Kruger effect. Your displaying it here perfectly.

That is funny especially when this comment is coming from someone who think that this created reality is the ultimate.

Independent confirmations seem to upset you. So your best retort is a strawman argument about smelly soap. EPIC FAIL.

When the independent analysis is made using all elements necessary to carry on such an analysis i will lift up my hat and praise these people for their work.
Unfortunately these researchers haven't use all elements necessary as their knowledge is confined to this material-physical world only making thus impossible to understand how the system works.

The real hallucination emerge when you think that it is the devil that push you to do the wrong thing when in reality is you that choose to give up the fight for freedom.

Thats what the devil wants you to think.

Please surgen, don't give up your mental fight with me.
I just start to enjoy your failings.