(January 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: They "experience free will" begs the question. They experience rather a cascade of mostly random thoughts and feelings that fluctuate and overpower one another, connected however to past events and present conditions in the person's life.Thoughts? Feelings? Where did all the neural gears and pistons go!?!
(January 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: One must ignore all evidence of reality and resort to special pleading to argue the dumb notion ...A reductionist theory of consciousness must ignore half of reality, the part that includes subjective experience and significance.
(January 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:Your hand-waving doesn't work. Thoughts can be true or false. The same cannot be said for brain states. Mental properties are not identical to physical properties, at least not in the way that Mark Twain is identical to Samuel Clemens.(January 4, 2015 at 1:44 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Your color example assumes that the subjective of experience of color is identical to and reducible to some set of physical operationsWell... yeah, duh. Sorry but citing the law of identity can't rescue your illogic here.
