RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 5, 2015 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2015 at 4:24 pm by Drich.)
(January 5, 2015 at 4:16 pm)abaris Wrote:(January 5, 2015 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote: If there is only God's will, then where is choice? Remember God is looking for those who would willing do so if they were given a choice to serve. So if we can only know God's will as illustrated with the life of Adam and Eve pre fall, then there is no choice to be had. Choice did not enter the Garden till satan brought in with him. There was only oppertunity for choice Satan made that oppertunity avaible.
On a side note, it's remarkable how you discard the OT when it becomes inconvenient and present it when it suits your needs. Adam and Eve are part of the OT after all.
But that's not the issue here. The issue, as always is the claim of an omniscient god, which pretty much rules out choice in any shape and form. Menkind can do what they want, god - to take a page from your book - knew what every single one of them would do before he even grabbed his first hand of mud. So there is no choice involved, since an omniscient god can't be surprised.
I have not discarded anything. Everything has it's place. The OT is very useful as a means to build a picture of God and the relationship He wanted with Man. It also shows us a pattern of behaivor in His long term relationship with the Jews, that gets reflected in our very own lives.
What the OT is not good for? providing social and cermonial/worship law to Christians. Why? because the book of acts forward cuts the social and cermonial laws out of our worship. While Jesus and the gospels maintain the 'moral' law.
(January 5, 2015 at 4:20 pm)dyresand Wrote:No.(January 5, 2015 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote: So far so good.
Lucifer rebelled because he saw/perceived weakness in God. The weakness being his love and mercy for man. Like you he reasoned an all powerful God can not be weak, he preceived weakness so he concluded God can't be all powerful.
Rebellion does not mean war. to rebell could be as mundain as not showing up for work, Or protesting or any other number ways to rebell.
We was cast out of Heaven, cursed to wander the earth. (Sort of a Hell on Earth)
To bring the winds and rains (as Christ puts it in the parable of the wise and foolish builders) to test the houses men build. Just as he did with the Angelic population of Heaven. They were tested 2/3's remained, one 1/3 left with him.
wouldn't you kind of get pissed too if god constantly was testing you...?
