RE: If
January 8, 2015 at 5:22 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 5:58 am by Little Rik.)
(January 7, 2015 at 2:51 pm)JuliaL Wrote:(January 7, 2015 at 5:54 am)Riketto Wrote: And your evidence that i am a rotten liar is.......?You'd have to watch the video.
It's a quote from a movie.
Anybody can set up a show in order to try to convince people that what they say it is true.
That is no evidence.
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(January 7, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote:(January 7, 2015 at 5:54 am)Riketto Wrote: Fail again surgencharacter assassination and shifting burden of proof
You are the one who back up Sacks for keeping your so called evidence alive.
Sacks and the likes say that NDEs are hallucinations so if you back up someone idea it is you that suppose to come up with the proofs.
Quote:Fail again surgen.cart before the horse
When i see someone who try to change a tyre without using a jack and instead try to lift the car by hand i got the right to laugh.
Sacks do exactly the same thing when he try to understand how the system works during an NDEs.
Quote:He only use the physical-mental approach while the NDEs are not physical-mental according to those who experienced these NDEs.Irrevelent
Quote:Fail again surgen.Something note worthy to respond to. You made the claim NDE's are evidence for an afterlife. The default position is to reject any claim until sufficient evidence demonstates the claim to be true. Questioning NDE's evidence is part of the verification processes. Since NDE's can be fully explained by known phenomena, no new process/object/space is needed and should be disregarded. Learn burden of proof.
By backing up Sacks and the likes you claim that we are dealing with delusions.
You are not backing up your so called evidence with real evidence so if you go along this way i also have the right to state the opposite whether the opposite is true or not according to you.
Quote:You mention the word FAG and i mention other words in order to see how the real meaning change and how to see how people of today falsely think that the establish meaning is the real and original meaning.Personal attack and irrevelent
Something wrong with this?
You got upset about it?
Mama is still there to console and comfort you surgen.![]()
Quote:Physical science is all an atheist got but this kind of science is not enough to bring peace of mind which is exactly what human being are looking for all the time consciously or unconsciously so physical science can not possibly be the ultimate.Strawman, unsupported claim, argument form ignorance, personal attack
This is an important philosophical point but what would you know about philosophy!![]()
Quote:If my conclusion is unsupported then those researchers that rely only on physical evidence would have already come up with a solution that give people peace of mind.Non-sequitur
Quote:Unfortunately they fail so if they fail it is very likely that it is true that they haven't use the proper tools to see how the system works.False dicotomy![]()
So many fallacies. Do you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
Coming in a forum in which my point of view is the opposite of the majority of those in the forum it was obvious that i couldn't convince people that i am right and that they are wrong so i never expect to be taken seriously and that of course is not the reason why i came here.
The main reason was and is to sharpen and tune up the way i express myself and secondary to improve my English.
Beside it would become boring to go in a forum in which people agree with my philosophy.
Coming back to your post i would say that your desperation in realize your failing is getting worse by the day.
The reason why i claim that NDEs are real evidence as i already explained few times come from the fact that several of these people who had an NDE could describe things that they have seen during these NDEs.
In their lives they never been in the places that they described so how could they describe these places if they never been there before?
It is obvious that as soon as the body-mind is off the consciousness take over so NDEs are real not hallucinations.
I already suggest you to read the site in which people describe these experience but obviously you either didn't bother to read or you keep on thinking that they are all liars.
That is your problem surgen not mine.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/NDERF_NDEs.htm