(January 8, 2015 at 5:22 am)Riketto Wrote: Coming in a forum in which my point of view is the opposite of the majority of those in the forum it was obvious that i couldn't convince people that i am right and that they are wrong so i never expect to be taken seriously and that of course is not the reason why i came here.
The main reason was and is to sharpen and tune up the way i express myself and secondary to improve my English.
Beside it would become boring to go in a forum in which people agree with my philosophy.
Coming back to your post i would say that your desperation in realize your failing is getting worse by the day.
The reason why i claim that NDEs are real evidence as i already explained few times come from the fact that several of these people who had an NDE could describe things that they have seen during these NDEs.
In their lives they never been in the places that they described so how could they describe these places if they never been there before?
It is obvious that as soon as the body-mind is off the consciousness take over so NDEs are real not hallucinations.
I already suggest you to read the site in which people describe these experience but obviously you either didn't bother to read or you keep on thinking that they are all liars.
That is your problem surgen not mine.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/NDERF_NDEs.htm
The main problem is not that your view point is different than most of the people here. The main problem is you don't understand what is considered evidence, who has the burden of proof, and countering your evidence with other phenomena doesn't change who has the burden of proof.
You made several extrodinary claims like spiritual realm, souls, god, strong version of karma, reincarnation, etc... Then you want us to prove you wrong instead of showing these are true. People (in general) are not interested in trying to disprove a negative. So when I present how your evidence makes some unjustified assumptions, you attack the critics character instead of justifing the assumptions. When I present you with a simplier explanantion via artificial NDEs, you want to claim they're not the same without any justification.
Finally, you don't realize that anodotal evidence is not scientific. All your testinomials are worthless because they are based on individual biases, and they can all be explained from known phenomena. Take for example all the testinomials of alien abductions. Do they prove that people are abducted by aliens? No. If they had very similiar stories (which they do), would that prove people are abducted by aliens? Still NO. There was a simple experiment that would of gave scientific evidence for the existence of a soul, which was seeing the number above the operating table. Not one case was successful in telling what the number was.
As a side, when you explain how one realm suppose to interact with a complete other realm (physical with spirit), your arguments would get shread to pieces by the philosophy buffs here. Otherwise, stay around and develop your english writting skills. Hopefully, you'll learn something else as well.
Cheers,
