(January 9, 2015 at 6:29 am)Riketto Wrote: Your comment does not answer my point.Unfounded claim 1: NDEs occur when the people are brain dead.
I point how to you that many of these NDEs experiences tell about things that they have seen during their NDEs.
Unfounded claim 2: NDEs didn't occur when the person was going or coming out of brain death.
Unfounded claim 3: True NDEs require the person to be dead.
Unfounded claim 4: What the NDEs experience actually exist and not trickery/illusions.
Quote:Now, forget for a moment about having seen God and focus about having seen more material-physical things.FYI. When you are going to have surgery, the doctors don't kill you, perform the surgery, and then revive you.
Once back to life they describe these things like what was inside a room next to the emergency room where they were or a nurse that did something wrong like dropping a baby which got hurt and need surgery.
This clearly prove that the brain was off and something else that they describe like consciousness was the witness entity.
Great, people can describe a room that they are physically in. But they just can't see the number above the operating table that is out of view from all the doctors and nurses. It's like they are getting the same information as everyone else there and nothing beyond.
Quote:How can you disprove this.Some had very terrible experiences. The christians saw jesus, the hindus see shiva, the jews see moses or god. It like what they experience is culturally based.
The next point is about what everybody saw.
All these NDEs talk about having seen or perceived that God is there and that dimension is very very beautiful.
Quote:If according to you these NDEs are some sort of hallucination why then these people have seen the same sort of things?Those type of testinomials exist, you just don't want to read them. I wonder why.
Why only God?
Why not a mix of God, the devil, father Christmas and Nembo Kid?
Also, all the people that "died" and were revived by doctors but didn't have an NDE, do they prove that there isn't anything beyond? This crowd is a lot bigger.