(January 13, 2015 at 10:08 am)Riketto Wrote:Restating your position or your theory doesn't make it more believable. You need good evidence to make it more believalbe, and the evidence you presented is still crap. Hense your theory is not valid. Also, analogies are not proofs nor evidence.(January 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm)Surgenator Wrote: As far as the brain in concerned, it doesn't know the difference. So it response is the same.Here we go again.
As usual you judge from a physical point of view alone but humans are not made of physicality only.
Mind and spirit are also part of ourselves.
Every single part of ourselves require a response.
No wonder that physical science has yet to find out where peace of mind may come from.
It is only when you guys take in consideration all parts of the human being that you will be able to understand how the system works.
It remind me the meat.
Animals before they get closer to the abattoir have no toxins in their body but as they enter the abattoir and smell the blood and the tragic situation they build up these toxins so their flesh become toxic.
In the same way our consciousness knows what is a natural occurrence and what is not and from there we will have a different response so no.
Every action will have a particular reaction based on the circumstances and the motives.
Quote:If you want medical knowledge, go to college and study it. While your at it, you should take a basic statistics and science course. Maybe you'll realize that the null hypothesis is always something we know about, never something new.Quote:2) It is important to consider the quantity of loss blood to the brain.
Does the loss of blood supply to the brain in high G forces experiences equal to the loss of blood in a natural situation of flat-lined" EEG state?Quote:Good question. Lommel doesn't give numbers on how much blood is lost. So I can't do a comparison. I did find this. "At some point, intracranial perfusion cannot be maintained and significant cerebral hypoxia (no blood = no oxygen) follows. The end result is unconsciousness. ... most significant physiologic effect from G-forces are related to tissue ischemia (insufficient blood flow), specifically intracerebral (brain) ischemia." Do NDE patients suffer from tissue ischemia?I wish i had all the medical knowledge of Lommel.
What i know is that every single case is different.
Different people before their NDE die for different reasons so their PHYSICAL reactions will be different.
Quote:In these pages you can see more interesting things from Lommel.Testinomials are not scientific evidence. Just like the alien abduction testinomials, listing more doesn't prove your claims.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=FMZ...ia&f=false
Quote:Look up the pituitary gland and only found the hormone controller not control room of the mind. Unless you think our mind is nothing but hormones, then it would the control room of the mind. Somehow the electrical pulses in neurons and their arrangement with one another plays a big role.Quote:As Lommel say......The current concept in medical science states that consciousness is the product of the brain. This concept, however, has never been scientifically proven.......Quote:True it has never been proven, but there is a strong correlation between the two. Also, just because it wasn't proven, doesn't mean Lommel hypothesis is equally or more valid.The pituary gland that control the mind is below the pineal gland.
Quote:In the same way the general is ranking below the field marshal so how it is possible that the lower gland can control the higher?You really don't know how the brain evolved do you? If you did, the answer would become quite obvious.
Quote:Consciousness is well above the mind so the mind can not produce the consciousness.Restating your position and theories doesn't make them more believable.
Quote:How do you know that is when the NDE occured? How do you know the baby dropped wasn't incorporated into the NDE memory afterwards? The simple answer is you don't. You assumed it was the case.Quote:But again it is clear that some of these NDEs experiences can not be the result of the brain like in the case where it was witness places or people that could not be witness with the mind.Quote:Bullshit. How do you know these people haven't seen pictures, heard stories, or their memory was altered afterwards? This is the huge problem with testinomials, and why they're not considered scientific evidence.In the case in which the NDE saw the nurse dropping a baby the event happen during the NDE not before and his testimonial lead to the evidence that this incident really happen and as i said happen during the NDE so no this has nothing to do with an altered mind.
Quote:Do you know that the person has never been in that hospital? Do you know the person has never seen the other room while he was in the waiting room? Do you know that he didn't incorporated the NDE with the waiting room afterwards? There are too many other normal everyday events that can easily explain this. However, you jump to the supernatural explanation as if it were more valid.Quote:The brain can not do this so the conclusion is that the consciousness can not possibly be the product of the brain as the brain is not able to see behind closed doors. Cheers.Quote:You know what the brain can't do and what it can? Are you a neuroscientist? Are you possibly forgetting that people also have ears? Are you aware that rooms in the hospital are designed the same? Not seeing room 105 doesn't mean you didn't see room 355.Sorry surgen but the report say that the guy that had an NDE was in the emergency room while the next room was not an emergency room.
Beside he described what was in the room so no again.
You try your best to be a good detective but you are not clever enough.
You probably need a good NDE to get clever.