(January 17, 2015 at 3:35 am)Riketto Wrote:(January 16, 2015 at 4:57 pm)rasetsu Wrote: When I lost 9 fingers due to frostbite, they didn't amputate the dead flesh right away. For several weeks, they allowed the dead flesh to necrotize so as to separate the good flesh from the bad. During this time I essentially had two large open wounds on each hand. In order to deal with the pain, they fed me a constant diet of opiates, painkillers derived from poppies. I felt rather little pain this way. The reason these opiates worked to suppress the pain is that they mirror the effect of natural opiates produced by the brain. The brain produces its own painkillers. Under the right circumstances, the brain can, on its own, suppress considerable pain using things like dissociation and natural opiates. What you claim is evidence of the separateness of consciousness from the mind is no such thing. It's just another example of the many strange capacities of the brain. Pure evidence my ass.
The circumstances vary from individual to individual.
You build up these circumstances.
It is like having people with money and people without money.
During the war some people scream full throat for a small wound while some other people with big wound hardly scream.
But again this is only the physical-mental side of the equation.
If you don't believe the pictures that i showed you you can go one day to one of these festival and experience for yourself how the consciousness can be disconnected from the mind so again this is evidence.
What I believe is that if the brain didn't have receptors for its own internally produced painkillers, opiates wouldn't work as painkillers. None of the above even addresses the point. You're just repeating the same claim over again. So different people have different abilities to suppress pain. That varying ability has been demonstrated by science to rely on physical-material mechanisms. All you're doing is claiming that it doesn't, without evidence.
(January 17, 2015 at 4:53 am)Riketto Wrote:(January 16, 2015 at 1:59 pm)Surgenator Wrote: So let me guess, you found a phenomena that you think (not proved) cannot be explained by the brain. Therefore, spirits. How do you know this cannot be explained by the brain? You admitted that you don't have the medical expertise to do so. For the record, neither do I. Yet you make the bold accertion that it can't. Your presenting a prime example of the argument-from-ignorance fallacy.
Try yourself to perforate your body with a knife or something else and then tell your brain to not let you feel any pain and to close the cut as soon as you take the knife out.
You've been corrected on this once already. The article you quote even explains how there are scars that result from the practice. But you didn't listen, did you? It goes in one ear and out the other. Who would trust such a poor learner to possess any kind of wisdom? You are a wishful thinker who believes what you want to believe, even when it's pointed out to you in black and white how it's not true. You are worthless for any kind of discernment, yogic or otherwise.
The article that you linked to clearly says, "For weeks after the festival I see local guys with fresh scars! The scar tissue is often quite obvious especially on those who have been participating for many years."
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