RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 18, 2015 at 8:11 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2015 at 8:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 18, 2015 at 4:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: 1. we can observe evolutionary systems come into existence.2 is an issue of correlation -if true-, not causation or necessity. It's also factually untrue, so long as you hold on to the examples that you have, and this is by definition. You're also trying a bait and switch in this step, between the evolutionary system and it's implementation. Rework 1 and 3 to reference implementation rather than evolutionary systems, then provide an example of -that other thing-, if possible.
2. whenever we observe an evolutionary system come into existence we always observe an intellect involved in that implementation.
3. 1 and 2 suggest that evolutionary systems do not come into existence without the involvement of an intellect.
3 Doesn't follow from 1 and 2 -even if true-.
Quote:If I am wrong, it should be fairly easy to show that I am wrong by simply presenting an observation of an evolutionary system coming into existence without the involvement of an intellect.It -is- fairly easy, that's why I pointed this out to you many, many pages ago, and why many others have found many ways to explain the very same thing with a variety of examples through the entirety of the thread.
Quote:Your beliefs are not a compelling reason to change my beliefs.-and yours aren't rational or factually accurate, even though you clearly find them compelling.
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