(January 19, 2015 at 12:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(January 19, 2015 at 11:06 am)Alex K Wrote: @Esquilax: don't you think that e.g. the fundamental parameters are a kind of information which we can obtain from nature, but which is not concretely manifested in an object? That's why I say the whole enterprise has a Platonic vibe.
I guess? My point is, even those fundamental properties are physical expressions that we imbue with significance via observation. Whenever we get these "X thing contains information!" conversations, the conclusion generally heads toward an "information requires a designer!" deal, and that's where I find a problem because it makes the mistake of assuming information is created by intelligences, where in actuality it's observed and systematized by them. I don't want to have to explain that pattern recognition doesn't need all that much significance, in the end.
In that sense "Information" is simply on the same footing as Energy and any other physical observable, wouldn't you agree?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
