(January 20, 2015 at 10:11 am)Riketto Wrote:(January 20, 2015 at 9:39 am)Davka Wrote: This is a false dichotomy. You really need to look up the meanings of words before you start throwing them around higgledy-piggledy. "Consciousness" == "mindfulness" even in woo-town; you can't have consciousness without a mind. You're trying to pretend that water can be separated from wet.NDEs proved that consciousness can be there without a mind.
All that NDEs have proven so far is that the brain does some pretty weird shit when it's shutting down. Actual double-blind tests have shown that these subjective experiences are not linked to physical reality.
My favorite test was this: A sign was placed in an operating room, in a spot where it could only be seen by someone who was up near the ceiling. The sign was simple, clear, and attention-drawing. Nobody other than the researcher was aware of what was written on the sign, and doctors did not even know which operating room the sign was in.
Whenever a patient reported a NDE, they were interviewed. Those who reported having been "hovering above my body, looking down on everything that was happening" (an extremely common phenomenon in NDEs) were asked what was written on the sign.
Not one of them could answer. Most said they did not see a sign. This study was done over the course of a few years.
Quote:Who created Spina Bifida? Polio? Multiple Sclerosis? Who created the human body such that death during childbirth was common until the advent of modern medicine, and infant mortality was so high that many cultures did not even bother to name children under 2 years old?Quote:If it's a divine game played by a supreme controller for her entertainment, then she is a sadistic and malevolent bitch. She's willing to allow countless billions of sentient beings to suffer in agony without the slightest clue as to what - if any - the purpose of it all is.
Sorry mate.
Wrong again.
It is not God that destroy the forests, create pollution, create hunger, create exploitation and all sort of evil so why blame God?
Sure, humans are responsible for a lot of suffering. But nature is responsible for far more - as well as for creating the conditions which cause humans to do so many horrible things out of desperation and fear.
Quote:Not really. Delusional mental states can be entertaining, but living there 24/7? That's truly sad.Quote:Yeah, I had an acid trip like that once, too.
But I came down.
How sad!
Quote:Try to believe.On what basis?
Are you suggesting that I should attempt to fool my brain into a belief-system which will lead to confirmation bias by way of dopamine squirts?