RE: You're not serious?
January 20, 2015 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2015 at 1:53 pm by Regina.)
(January 20, 2015 at 1:29 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:(January 20, 2015 at 11:32 am)Alex K Wrote: That's the kind of BS that gives modern feminism a bad name. Well, it's one of many voices out there..
I don't really think that this is a problem with modern feminism. Most feminists and that article even acknowledges it, are extremely critical of Islam and the Muslim world. This probably won't be the most popular thing to say in this forum, but this is a problem with modern liberalism, not modern feminism. Most serious Liberalism has cobbled together a variety of groups into their big tent and post 9/11 one of those groups is Muslims (I believe 70% of Muslims voted Republican pre-9/11) The inclusion of Islam into the left wing in both Europe and the United States brings them directly at odds with feminism and indeed with almost all of their social principles. The problem is even more stark when you include GBLT groups. These are people who cannot be part of the same ideology as one of them believe that the other shouldn't even exist. Either tolerance for Islam has to go or inclusion of feminist and GBLT community has to go. (Or you can try to do a retarded mental dance like the woman in that article.)
I agree, no disrespect to the person who wrote the initial post about "modern feminism".
It's "liberal multiculturalism" - This idea that we can't intervene in Islamic affairs we don't agree, even if they are happening in the West, for the sake of respecting culture and ethnic diversity. It's stupid and wrong. As I've said before, liberal multiculturalism defends religion's right to not be liberal, and that doesn't work.
You can't simultaneously push for the rights of women and gays while also defending religions which actively push back against that. It's the great paradox of liberal left-wing politics to me. I'd describe myself as "left wing" and "liberal" in almost all my political views, but I can't get behind liberal multiculturalism.
And as Rexbeccarox points out, yes the author of that article is a male lmao
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane" - sarcasm_only
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable." - Maryam Namazie
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable." - Maryam Namazie


