RE: Atheist vs Pantheist
January 20, 2015 at 8:14 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2015 at 8:42 pm by schizo pantheist.)
(January 15, 2015 at 12:06 am)Davka Wrote: Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text Wall Of Text
Apparently, some are more interested at short jabs rather than reading. If a book offends you, then go to another thread. I look at this kind of like a blog of streams of ideas, to be critically bounced off of others. Blogs, threads, forums discussions, can often time evolve into publishable material, so it is actually intelligent to put effort into the length and quality of the ideas expressed. Say I was to write a book on something I am interested in thinking about, a certain topic. Would a short sentence do? Why not basically have the book evolve sorta open source on the internet, then to be organized later if a good idea evolves from the discussion that is worth sharing the world. The work put into typing is not useless from my perspective, so if you find the work of reading laborious and painful then perhaps this isn't the thread for you.
This sir, is simply a jest. Illogical nonsense insult. No responses to similar taunts. Contribute to the discussion don't tar and feather and curse due to ignorance. What do you actually think about the ideas I have mentioned? Or do you think? Ha ha I won't jest back.
(January 14, 2015 at 7:06 am)robvalue Wrote: Hello there, welcome
I'm afraid I don't accept anything as credible unless it can be demonstrated scientifically (I don't just mean in a lab, I mean independently and with proper conditions). So I have no idea what most of the things you are saying actually mean. If you have some way that I could reproduce them, I'm all ears
Personally I don't understand what the point of pantheism is, but I see no problem in believing everything is god, or god is in everything. Again, to me it makes no scientific sense. But it seems fairly harmless.
Hope you enjoy the forum! Those opinions are just my own, and due to my overly analytical nature. I'd deny my own wife's existence if she left the room for 5 seconds.
It depends on how you define science. Also what lab, and can that laboratory work be looked at without bias? Stanford paranormal studies for example?
The best lab is the human experiencer, and this can be tested perhaps not with concrete laboratory and molecular science but with observation, statistics, trends, patterns in human thinking and experience throughout history. The science of human perception and awareness.
Are you saying human awareness is not worth studying scientifically? The neruoscientists can't tell what awareness is. No hard science can measure it, but it an be observed through many subjective experiencers who can then be interviewed, tested, or polled somehow and statistically analyzed, and the data has value that way.
Are these areas of research worth looking into? I find a general apathy with atheist scientists who reject any spirit stuff out of hand. Not worth their time and effort because it "already" is pointless, simply not worth true. Don't bother coming up with methods to measure it is where the prejudice and ignorance leads. It hasn't been fed enough scientific energy in the form of funding projects to hit mainstream in my opinion.
(January 14, 2015 at 11:03 am)Davka Wrote: "Everything is god" is functionally equivalent to "nothing is god."
E=MC2 If it makes you happy to call the universe 'god,' knock yourself out.
As we used to say in my hippy-dippy tripping days, "So. You're God. I'm God. Everyone is God.
So who's going to do the dishes?"
Well spoken. We can agree philosophically here. The semantic of "God" kinda doesn't really fit pantheism does it? However it doesn't fit atheism ether.
Goddess does the dishes. Ha ha just kidding she makes me do them.
(January 14, 2015 at 11:05 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Everything is God? So was I giving birth to a deity when I dropped an Indian-food-fueled steaming log of shi-- I mean "god" in my toilet--I mean, in my "god", last night?
Also well spoken. Sh-t is God. In india there are people who see absolutely no separation and eat sh-t as their sacrament, also human flesh, and even glass. They are called aghori sadhus. Holy people. They worship death and everything in contrast to what is considered normal. They break every taboo because there really is no separation, all is one Spirit, even what they eat, spirit eats itself, like the ouroboros, or the sacrament Jesus compared to his flesh and blood, he being the pantheistic universe itself.
Also, sh-t is a holy contemplation of the cycle of entropy and corruption and rebirth the universe goes through. I find myself on the toilet much longer than the original turd finds necessary sometimes with cycle of life epiphanies, including the axis mundi spiral function that occurs when I push "flush". It goes to the earth to become life again and the magical cycle continues.
(January 14, 2015 at 11:09 am)Davka Wrote: Don't touch your god to the god. You'll get god all over the god, and then god will have to clean it up.
Godda be more detailed than that.