Atheist vs Pantheist

[schizo pantheist]

Schizophrenic? Meh, I guess that just means I'll have the pleasure of arguing with all of the voices in your head....none of which, mind you, are likely to be Einstein or Nash. Carry on.

Yes you can argue all you want. We, I mean I, love debate. It’s like Gollum I swear. We don’t really know all the answers, but we can offer something for you…..

It’s all one unified being really, but anyway.

You don't have other-worldly senses (and neither do/did they). You have a chronic, severe, and disabling brain disorder. Whether or not the ubiquitous "they" were toiling under the same weight is, frankly, beyond either of us to determine.

I do indeed have a 6th sense, which is basically a multi layered and multi purpose instinctual sense. Your assertion doesn’t take into consideration my experiences of my spirit guides actually being right about things, such as telepathy, future prophecy, and the list goes on and on. Spirit proves itself, it doesn’t need a mortal to prove it, and it does so just as Jesus said, from the inside out. The outside is shown after the inside with clairvoyance though. Inner dreams and vision become outer realities. That’s the proof.

As for brain disorder, you fit the archaic psychiatrical philosophical category that is proving a severe detriment to society, by denying the wisdom of thousands of years of elders. Viewing it as a disorder inappropriately stigmatizes it and is designed with the demonic knee jerk spell reaction of “I don’t understand it therefore it must be stupid” trick. Ignorance. “Don’t take it seriously enough to give it a scientific investigation” trick. Demon nonsense. I don’t believe nonsense, personally.

Ah, but how many of those angles are right angles, Mr. Nash? I jest. You don't have inner spirit guides, again, your mind is malfunctioning. Similarly, what's going to follow is unlikely to be truth, but even a broken clock is right twice a day..... so I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

If you repeat yourself enough do you expect to hypnotize me into your paradigm without offering me any evidence? Do better atheist. Evolve beyond logical fallacies such as assertions without evidence, whether that be hard science or just logical philosophy.

[Your "spirit realm isn't "like a dream", it -is- a dream, or the mechanical equivalent thereof. Need I continue?

Again, disrespect for the wisdom of the elders. I find that immature, to be honest. Grow up. The ancients described a unity between the dream world and our outside reality. Dream catchers of american natives, for example. Or, the dreams recorded in the holy texts like the Bible. All kinds of dreams are mentioned where entities visit and offer prophetic counsel.

What a limited view to say those thousands years of culturally separated geographically people’s history which has such similar ways of viewing the world, such as the dream and spirit realm are the same, they are simply realms, or worlds, as my guides call them, has no validity to it? It’s an anthropological consensus among cultures. Dream worlds are literal.

For example, the same spirit guides I have around me during the day visit me in dreams and instruct me. To me I call this dream work, or dream journeying. The key is to become lucid and master of that world. Dreams are often run by spirits, like a holographic show you are part of. They pull all the strings. The purpose generally is to learn something. I’ve had repetitive dreams that have kept coming back until I learn the lesson offered. I have had dreams that have had people and strange events in them that reflected what shortly came to pass in my outside waking reality. I saw them in the dream world before the real world. This is what I do all the time. It’s the psychic’s world. Inner world. See it inside before you see it outside. It often reflects inside symbolically, like the dream has a plot that isn’t literal but ties into a waking reality or event that occurs. The spirit dream master was simply teaching. In the Bible the dream masters offered prophecies and warnings, by shapeshifting into angelic beings and having face to face discussions with people in dreams.

In the Bible Joel prophesies with poetry saying “your young men will have visions, and your old men dream dreams”.

Death is the cessation of life. You're welcome.

Apparently you are not a not a hamlet fan. To be or not to be, that is the question you fail to ask.

Don’t contemplate death simply give it a trite definition and be done with it. Not wisdom. Sorry. The philosopher Shakespeare is wiser.

Neither you, nor Einstein, nor Nash, nor wizards, nor all the creepy crawly bugs on this entire globe have "multidimensional senses" in the manner you seem to be intent upon using that term. You aren't receiving any dispatches from the future, and neither is an ant.

Again the fallacy of negative assertion without offering anything to the discussion. No evidence to support you. I say yes, you say no, and that is all you have.

Why are you so close minded to senses described by the sages of time?

As far as I'm aware there isn't an ounce of science (not even in your two favorites) that supports anything even on the periphery of theism, you haven't presented any here, and so you have no point. Feel free to bring any of this science to my attention, if you think you've missed anything.

I define science as taking into consideration history, and the subjective cognition of humans, which you don’t apparently. We disagree on semantics, the word science defined basically.

I doubt that anyone disputes the existence of fairy stories. It's the fairies themselves which are thin on the ground. You are not descended from fairies, no one is, there is no such thing.

Again, how trite. No fairies huh? You have no evidence to support you and again there is lore, myth, and wisdom that disagrees. From my perspective, I know others that channel fairies, the ancient deities of their ancestors. They have common characteristics that we have independently become “familiar” with and have verified objectively discussing it. They are just as real as any of the other cultural archetypes. They are accessible from the inner realms. Fairy land is within you. No surprise either, since fairies have been defined as spirits, so they live in the spiritual world, which sages like Jesus say is indeed within you. Just because you can’t personally see your ancestral deities doesn’t mean others can’t. They are spirit trainers basically, tricksters too.

The excellence of the bible -as a fairy tale- is a matter of opinion. I think it's hit or miss, personally. As crib notes for life, a users manual, it's garbage. I do not employ it;s advice or "wisdom", and this hasn't seemed to cause any needless suffering in my life. I'm skeptical that you have any authority in the matter of whats smart or dumb, good or evil.

User’s manual? Well most fairy tales I have seen are mostly intended for kids, unless you get deep into mythological studies. It’s the wisdom of “everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten” kind of stuff. Fairies teach things like not to lie, and other basic 5 year old morals. The also veil magic in their teachings, which is inner wisdom that the stories only hint at, which when they show up in the inner theater, they can fill you in on the details as the real meaning of the fairy tales. The Bible is similar. Angels visit people and explain it, also an enlightened state of mind via the holy spirit is promised to offer hidden interpretations for whom it initiates into the mysteries. Holy spirit = kundalini awakening in my opinion. Kundalini awakening and psychosis due to spirit possession and delusion commonly go together. It is synonymous with shaman sickness, when the black spirits torment the initiate shaman with insanity and illness, then heal after the hazing is complete, resulting in above average sanity and health.

As for smart, dumb, good, evil, that is simply the process of natural selection. It is all relative the way I look at it. Whatever fills the gap of universal demand, basically, is the next step in evolution. The push to change is the constant search of what is good, or promotes life and is smart, and what is evil or doesn’t really serve any purpose and which would be better not existing. The natural selection process filters out the good from the bad. Smart lives dumb dies. Smart ideas survive, dumb ones should be pointed out and corrected. So no, I am not a moralist that claims any kind of static good and evil philosophy, it always shifts and adapts. Whatever works is how the universe determines good. It is quite practical. It has to work for the long term too otherwise it will just phase quickly into extinction as a kind of “bad idea” creator once had.

Atheism isn't a philosophy, full stop.

Well, correct me then, it looks like your are arguing semantics. If it isn’t a philosophy, then it certainly creates philosophical paradigms like “multidimensional awareness is a brain disorder only”. Defend your philosophy rather than just contrast it with mine.