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January 21, 2015 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2015 at 1:52 pm by Surgenator.)
(January 21, 2015 at 9:59 am)Riketto Wrote:I'm arguing that your approach to the "problem" you've observed is logically flawed. You have admitted and demonstrated that medical science is not your forte. So please stop lecturing us on stuff you clearly don't know about, and get off your ignorant ass and research the subject yourself. I'm not going to waste my time doing the research for you.(January 20, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Surgenator Wrote:You try your very best to twist or to ignore my point but you fail again.(January 20, 2015 at 11:03 am)Riketto Wrote: After a million or so years that man is man i never heard of anyone who under normal circumstances doesn't feel pain when they got hurt but again maybe in the next million years someone may not feel any pain so i will let you know.Exactly, you "never heard of anyone" not there isn't a natural explanation. You don't know of a natural explanation. This doesn't mean the natural explanation doesn't exist. Constantly showing your ignorance on the matter doesn't make you right.
The issue was about feeling pain under normal circumstances and not feeling pain when the brain is off as the consciousness take over.
Your ignoring my point doesn't make you any smarter. hock:
Quote:Feelings are qualitative not quantitative. You cannot declare no overall change occured from a qualitative measure. You need quantitative for that. I've previously listed some quantitative measures like lifespan and luxury time. Those have increased over the years which counter your bullshit claim.Quote:Easy done surgen.
Suppose now i am X years old and i remember what i was feeling when i was 15 years old.
In those time there were no computers, no color tv (i guess) no mobile phones and so on but when my dad bought a pushbike i was up in heaven.
In those times not many people were lucky to own a pushbike but now what i would do with a pushbike?
Now i need a car to move around so what was paradise in the past is nothing these days but again in the future a car will be nothing because new mean of transport will be created so from here we can understand that consciousness is always related to the time in which we are living and there is a correlation between past and future.Quote:I fail to see how your story has anything to do with you knowing what other people's consciouness were. Your story is about your happy feelings, not someone elses who you haven't meet.The story show that there is a correlation between past and future so nothing really change as far as happiness and peace of mind is concern.
Your problem surgen is that you fail to understand that technological advancement is just a way to stay afloat not progress.
The monitor that right now you are looking at is delivering you radiation to your eyes but you never knew it, did you surgen?
I can demonstrate that the positive ALWAYS come with the negative but you can not show me that the positive is never followed by the negative so here you fail again.
Quote:I repeat, like you are an authority on peace of mind.Quote:Did you remember the quiz i gave in order to see whether you got peace of mind or not?
Try to remember surgen.Quote:Like you are an authority on peace of mind. Plus, nice dodge.This only show that your memory is not that good.
Quote:I still wonder if you know the difference between a delusion and the spirit realm. Is your spirit realm only internal or does it exist outside you head? FYI, delusions are also internal and don't exist outside your head.Quote:"Intuitional science" is known by it's other name, pseudoscience. Please demonstrate "intuitional science." Show how it would go through the scientific meathod to prove a claim.By practicing you can get the evidence.
Being an internal experience you can only get the evidence within unlike any external material-physical test which can be proved externally.
I just wonder whether you know the difference between internal and external.
Quote:Natural world is the material world and its interactions with itself. My definition is not dependent on the five senses but dependent on the observable universe. Also, it is your job to demonstate that consciousness is NOT a byproduct of the brain since you are making that claim.Quote:I'm a foreigner that is learning english. What I meant to say was "Please demonstrated how there isn't a natural explanation for people who don't feel pain."What is natural to you?
Maybe you are convinced that the natural is only what can be seen, touch, smell and so on and anything else is not natural.
I had the same understanding when i was a child but then i grew up and now i believe that the consciousness is a lot more natural than the physical-mental side so well before you pretend a demonstration you should understand the role that the brain play and the role that the consciousness play in order to understand what is natural and what is not.
Quote:Quote:Peace-of-mind is NOT an objective standard. It is completely subjective and prone to errors. For example, a person who believes in santa clause has a higher peace of mind than someone who doesn't. Who is right? The person who doesn't believe in santa clause. Also peace-of-mind would FAIL the consistency requirement and testibility requirement.Peace of mind come in degrees.
Suppose the degree go from 1 to 10.
And also suppose that 1 peace of mind is not permanent and 10 is permanent.
And also suppose that 1 to 3 or 5 can be achieved with the mind but 5 to 10 require an high degree of consciousness.
The variants are many.
Your trying to quantify a qualitative measure and failing miserably. Do you feel like your peace of mind is at 5, or does it feel more like an 8.
Quote:As far as testibility here once again you only need to experience for yourself.If it is dependent on the experimentor, it is NOT scientific nor rational. Also, you didn't mention at all on how it can be falsified.
It not transferable.