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[Little Rik]

Unsupported claim. You have yet to demonstrate that there is any such thing as "the consciousness." You certainly have not demonstrated that 'the consciousness" can do anything. Cling to your ignorance if it makes you more comfortable, but don't pretend there's any real-world foundation for your personal opinions.

I point the finger towards NDEs and towards the Hindus festival in which people do not feel pain as the consciousness take over but instead to look at these evidences you look at my finger and then say that nothing is there.
The same thing happen with the believe or not of God.
There is plenty of evidence that this universe can not possibly run by itself but you keep on dreaming that it can.
There is really nothing i can do other than let you keep dreaming for the next hundred lives until the wake up and grow up call take over your mental lethargy.

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Actually i have been there and see that with my very eyes but again since when physical science can understand what is not physical!

This isn't acceptable evidence either.

It takes time rasu.
Sooner or later physical science will find out the non physical entities that form the smaller particles so far discovered.
I just wonder what will you say or do that day.
It will be very funny to see your face.

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I'm arguing that your approach to the "problem" you've observed is logically flawed. You have admitted and demonstrated that medical science is not your forte. So please stop lecturing us on stuff you clearly don't know about, and get off your ignorant ass and research the subject yourself. I'm not going to waste my time doing the research for you.

As far as medical science can not understand why some people do not feel pain and the cut seal by itself leaving no or little scars than why should i get more knowledgable in medical science when medical science is not capable to understand these things?
You are very funny surgen.

Feelings are qualitative not quantitative. You cannot declare no overall change occured from a qualitative measure. You need quantitative for that. I've previously listed some quantitative measures like lifespan and luxury time. Those have increased over the years which counter your bullshit claim.

For Christ sake surgen stop being funny.
Have you have ever seen the Hollywood celebrities after they do surgery in order to look young?
Their faces look like shit.
Give me a brake mate.

I still wonder if you know the difference between a delusion and the spirit realm. Is your spirit realm only internal or does it exist outside you head? FYI, delusions are also internal and don't exist outside your head.

Delusions last for sometime not for ever and beside they don't come hand in hand with happiness.

Natural world is the material world and its interactions with itself. My definition is not dependent on the five senses but dependent on the observable universe.

Your statement need evidence surgen.
Where is the evidence that this universe is the only thing existing and therefore is the only natural thing?

Also, it is your job to demonstate that consciousness is NOT a byproduct of the brain since you are making that claim.

It is well known that what the brain can do is LIMITED so how it is possible for something limited to create something UNLIMITED like the consciousness?

Your trying to quantify a qualitative measure and failing miserably. Do you feel like your peace of mind is at 5, or does it feel more like an 8.

It is well established that to get any sort of degree you start from the bottom so it is natural that it takes time to reach the top but i suppose that you must have reach the top artificially.

If it is dependent on the experimentor, it is NOT scientific nor rational. Also, you didn't mention at all on how it can be falsified.

Why would you want to try to falsified some established evidence that give peace of mind and happiness in order to see whether it is true or not?