Directionality in evolution without intelligent guidance

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Yeah. I totally do. We evolved from nature, we are nature. Sure, we impact things in much more obvious ways and interfere with environments on a massive scale. But everything has the potential to change the environment, we just do it more. Every species' evolution can interfere with others, they don't happen in a vacuum.

I don't see an argument for humans not being natural. I'm not having a go at you, but how can natural suddenly become something else? I understand a philosophical divide as we are so different, but not a scientific one.

I suppose I look at it that "evolution" is the entire model. It involves all life on the planet, along with the environment. You can look at a particular species' evolution and try and call it separate, but that's not reality. You could talk about it's "hypothetical evolution" I suppose. Maybe my language isn't meeting up with general scientific language, I'm not sure. But to me, it's all one big system.