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What is wrong with this premise?
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RE: What is wrong with this premise?
(January 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(January 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm)IATIA Wrote:
(January 18, 2015 at 3:43 am)Heywood Wrote: Premise: Everything that has come into existence has had a cause.

What is wrong with the above premise?
Then what "caused" god?
Maybe I'll do a thread on it someday.
It would seem that your premise insists that this be the thread as I am sure that is where you are headed.

As to your premise, it is false.

If we have a 'first cause', the problem is what was 'before' the first cause. An infinity before the first cause would never pass to allow for a first cause. There must then be nothing before the first cause which then means the first cause always existed.

Whoops! Same problem.

If the first cause always existed then we are still dealing with an infinity and infinite regression just does not work. Therefore, time does not exist, everything just is and there is no first cause and causality becomes just an artifact of our linear thinking. There is no first, there is no last, there is no before, there is no after. Everything just is.

We do not need a god either as nothing was created. Creation requires causality, which requires time, which again invokes infinite regression.

I know you are going to argue this until you are blue in the face, but no argument against this can avoid the infinite regression. Do not feel too bad about this as the atheists here will also be attacking my particular views, so you will have lots of help. Go figure. Atheists and theists working together. Confused Fall
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What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 3:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Silver - January 18, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 3:50 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 4:22 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:25 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 4:41 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Alex K - January 18, 2015 at 3:58 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:12 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 4:15 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:21 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 4:58 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 5:09 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 5:32 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 19, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - January 18, 2015 at 4:06 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Cyberman - January 18, 2015 at 4:42 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 4:53 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 5:06 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by reiemdis - January 18, 2015 at 5:18 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 18, 2015 at 5:30 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 18, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 19, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 19, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 19, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Chas - January 19, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Minimalist - January 24, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Chas - January 24, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 18, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Ryantology - January 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 19, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 20, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 20, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 20, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 20, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 20, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 20, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mr.wizard - February 15, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mudhammam - February 15, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mr.wizard - February 15, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by helyott - January 20, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Ryantology - January 22, 2015 at 2:02 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 19, 2015 at 3:09 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Jenny A - January 19, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 20, 2015 at 8:34 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Animated Earth - January 20, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 20, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Darkstar - January 20, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 21, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Angrboda - January 21, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - January 20, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by AFTT47 - January 21, 2015 at 1:51 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Mister Agenda - January 21, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by wiploc - January 24, 2015 at 1:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 24, 2015 at 6:34 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by wiploc - January 29, 2015 at 1:04 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 24, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - January 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - January 24, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Minimalist - January 24, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by ManMachine - January 24, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - January 25, 2015 at 4:56 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Davka - January 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by ManMachine - January 25, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Whateverist - January 29, 2015 at 1:46 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BlackMason - February 15, 2015 at 2:28 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 5:22 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 6:22 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 6:31 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by BlackMason - February 15, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 15, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Cyberman - February 18, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 6:39 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 6:47 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 7:00 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Cyberman - February 18, 2015 at 6:57 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 7:01 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 7:10 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 8:05 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 18, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - February 18, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Simon Moon - February 18, 2015 at 7:36 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 19, 2015 at 7:06 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 19, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - February 19, 2015 at 7:39 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 19, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 19, 2015 at 9:39 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 20, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 20, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Heywood - February 20, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by bennyboy - February 21, 2015 at 3:34 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 3:58 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by IATIA - February 19, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Dystopia - February 19, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 19, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Grandizer - February 20, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 20, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by dennyg - February 20, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 20, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by robvalue - February 20, 2015 at 6:43 am
RE: What is wrong with this premise? - by Pizza - February 20, 2015 at 9:19 pm

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