Detecting design or intent in nature

[bennyboy]

What you are talking about is emergent complex phenomena. However keep in mind that some emergent complex phenomena requires intellect or it will not emerge. The flocking of birds or the schooling of fish is an emergent complex phenomena that you don't see except when things with brains are involved. Have you ever seen dust particles flock they way birds or fish do?

Iron particles group around a magnet in an organized way. Are you saying that God is hanging around in magnets putting all those particles in order? Cuz my guess is that's just natural forces at work.

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I'm interested in how evolutionary systems come into existence(which is a fair question).

My claim is that since all the evolutionary systems whose details of origination are known to us have all required intellects, that is reason to believe that all evolutionary systems require intellects.

That is a false syllogism at the most basic level. All underwater volcanoes we know of are created on Earth-- so that is reason to believe that every underwater volcano in the universe is probably created on Earth, right? It is right, by your logic; however, it is not right by actual logic. You're also cherry-picking. All the complex evolutionary systems we've observed being created are created by carbon-based, Earthbound lifeforms; therefore, there is reason to believe that all complex evolutionary systems in nature are most likely created by carbon-based, Earthbound lifeforms, right? Right by your logic, wrong by actual logic.

I challenge you to respond to this post without shameless special pleading. Good luck.