Quote:Yes, please explain what the fu...dge God/Jesus/bigdaddy brutally punished himself for.. and how it was good for you and why it gives you reason to love/worship him. Personally, the whole idea has me stumped... couldn't the bastard just forgive you for being you? instead of dying to prove (something?) to himself? to you? (HOW?)
I dont know. I am trying to accept the Christian theology that every one needs to be saved from their sins, but I cant buy it.
I dont think God killed Himself, some people argue that. How I see it, is that total serperation from God killed Him. No one can live without total serperation. If one beleives in God. God is the giver of life, without Him, you are dead. But Jesus is God? Jesus became sin, thus He was absolutely connected from God and perhaps His divinity?
Quote:I've heard a lot of funny ideas about this... none have satisfied me and I'm very, very open minded to Christian interpretations.. I love listening to them all the time.Knowledge is power, I am glad you are interested in learnng. I am a skeptical Christian, so my ideas may be heretical or not the norm.
Quote:And on the topic of evidence that this happened.. and furthermore, Jesus then rose from the dead and all, I trust this evidence wont be the kind that is passed on over generations? or that of a brain fart?
I do hope I'm not asking for too much
If one could convince me there was no resurrection I would stop being a theist and be a deist. However, I dont want to do a messy job of presenting the evidence, so i will present it after I have done more careful research.
Quote:If that god is really a good one, then he wouldn't have let all of humanity up until only 2000 years ago suffer through such horrible rules. Even after the jesus event, has the world been saved? Are there still any unsaved ones happening? New people being born only to eventually be tortured? Why?
I dont believe in eternal torture or that the soul departs when one dies. Biblically and Hebrew theology is that one needed body to have a soul. Anyways, the idea of eternal hell is not found in the Bible, only in exegesis and reading KJV not reading the bible in its own language.
Quote:You know, if a woman covered in bruises approached me and told me that the husband she loves really truely loves her once he murdered her son for all of her sins, then I would tell her to seek psychiatric help and get her husband arrested.
That's the logic I see in worshipping the god of the bible.
No. The God of the Bible you see is an idea, concept based on 2,000yrs of evolution. I dont worship a God like that, I wouldnt be a Christian if I did.
Quote:What did he die to save you from? Your human nature that he endowed you with in the first place? The hell punishment that he himself chooses to inflict on people?
I dont know. Saved us from living immoral lives? Saved us from our evil desires?
or just set us free? John 8:32 and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free?
Quote:There is no evidence at all of anyone named Jesus rising from the dead or performing miracles back then by the way. The first writings of that story were decades and decades AFTER his supposed resurrection. Would you believe it if someone told you "My great grandad said he knew of someone who rose from the dead and was the son of god"?
In Ancient history, decades isnt that long. If it was centuries, then I would agree with you.
Quote:It's everywhere in the bible. He's jealous and vengeful. He even orders certain thoughts, making wrong ones a sin. You must worship, adore, praise, love, thank him, etc. There are many nonharmful 'crimes' including thought crimes, among the few harmful crimes, for which he will torture you forever. I'd have to cut and paste almost the entire bible though, to properly show you where it is. I'd be putting almost everything but the 'begat's in here.
I dont think thats very fair. However, Im still looking into this myself.
Quote:That's fine, but now you're just picking and choosing which parts of the bible to believe and which not to believe in the very book that's supposed to be the word of god. Even so, you're simply basing his character on the parts of the bible you like and not the parts you don't like. I contend that you have to stretch the logic simply to get him palatable for love (like in my example above.)
Im not at all. You need to understand theology. Read Genesis 1 and 2. Write how you would interpret it. Read it again. Think of another way to interpret it. Read it again. Then write another way to interpret it. Now you understand how diverse and complicated theology is.
