Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?

[The Grand Nudger]

I've assumed nothing, by necessity a commandment for/to someone means we have a choice, if we did not then there would be no need for said commandment/s.

"Under no circumstances shalt thou engage the warpdrive of thine Honda Accord"

Murder exists

agreed

and people have a choice whether they commit murder or not.

Not so sure of that myself, and you've certainly failed to make a compelling case as to why I should believe your claim.

I think you've lost any sense you had. God is never wrong.
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Meh, fine by me, then if god sees our futures, and he is never wrong..our futures are predetermined. End of.

No guessing here, I can read what God says and from that easily make a intelligent determination.

I doubt that you have to read anything to know "what god says"......

Then by your statement I'm correct in saying I can not predestine anything and by saying this you admit I can predetermine where one is bound according to what the scriptures say, thank you.

I never thought you could, but if you can indeed "predetermine" where one is bound..then the skeins of our lives are woven, we have no choice.

Actually God calls for me to be more like Him in the ways that are possible for man, and if this is the conclusion you've drawn, then good.

I can see why you'd find that to be an easily accomplished task.

You've already stated that I can't predestine anyone, so what exactly is your point? You should go to the dictionary and look up the word desire, you seem to have a misunderstanding of it's meaning.

Or, my comment went right over your shoulderstumps.

No, that would eliminate free will and I believe I've established we have free will, the only reason you have taken the opposite stance is because most Christians believe in free will.

You being a nutball would eliminate free will? I doubt it. If you'd like to believe that you've established that we have free will go right ahead..I can't stop you...can you stop yourself from believing that? Try using your free will? I don't give a shit what you morons think GC, I really don't. I'd rather have this conversation with Benny.. like I always do, I disagree because I'm uncoinvinced that this "free will" business is legitimate, that your god isn;t legitimate at all makes it a moot point. At least with free will...we're discussing something that's actually there, even if we've made a few mistakes in describing what it is and what it can do.

You're in the god fan club, not me, the things you do or don't do you chalk up to god, not me. Project less, demonstrate more.

@Rhythm

For sake of argument, I have two questions to establish your definition of ownership. We both know the dictionary definition, but I am more interested in the subtle nuance of individual interpretation.

Does a tree own it's leaves?

In the same way that you own your heart, yes.

Does an amoeba own it's nucleus?

In the same way that you own your heart, yes.