Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical?

[solja247]

They get absolutely no-where other than make things more complicated actually. Why? Because God would have to be even more complex and improbable than the fine-tuned universe itself to exist without an explanation. If the universe needs an explanation and a big one, then God needs an explanation for the same reason - and an even bigger one because he supposedly created the complex universe.

Complicated but not improbable.
You can ask God when you get to heaven.

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I don't see that as being the case. I have no reason whatsoever to see the christian god's existance as being more or less likely than any other god or fantasy I or others can come up with.

I never said what God, I said a Creator. There is evidence for a Creator of the universe.

The cosmological arguement, such that as I understand it when it was explained to me fully on another thread, does not explain in any way the likelyhood of the existance of any such being - especially which being it is consdering that the Universe is more than 13 billion years old and the concept of a christian god is only a few millenia old and that concept has changed a great deal over over that time based on social norms and differing living conditions.

I dont see your point. Lets throw Christianity out the window, for the time being. An existence of a Creator IS more probable than something imaginary, like FSM.
Why would our understand of God be the same of mileniums? Dont you think the concept would change as we got more inteligent and smarter?

The fact is, the cosmological arguement doesn't explain anything. It attempts to explain that the universe is created because of a 'first cause' but fails to make any logical connection to any actual 'first cause' and what made it based on anything.

Its a philosphical arguement, not a scientific arguement (although it can be made a scientific arguement) we dont need to know everything about the first cause, how it got there, or its birthday, just that the universe had a cause for its beggining. You would agree with that?

As such, the Flying Spagetti Monster, despite being a far more recent concept, is just as likely.

How so?