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Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical?
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RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical?
(August 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm)solja247 Wrote: I never said what God, I said a Creator. There is evidence for a Creator of the universe.
God or creator or whatever. It's rebranding the same idea.

(August 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm)solja247 Wrote: I dont see your point. Lets throw Christianity out the window, for the time being. An existence of a Creator IS more probable than something imaginary, like FSM.
Why would our understand of God be the same of mileniums? Dont you think the concept would change as we got more inteligent and smarter?
I think that if a creator existed and he wanted to give us any inkling of his existance or even proclamations of what we should and should not do, then there would be only one holy book written in the entire world by a incomprehensibly vast intelligence and eloquence unrivaled by any human being. I think that his presence and will would not be up for interpretation in the written book and there wouldn't be mountains of evidence that the universe could have even gotten this way without a creator.
Instead, none of those things are even remotely true. No being we could even identify as divine has ever walked this earth or at least left any trace of that presence.

(August 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm)solja247 Wrote: Its a philosphical arguement, not a scientific arguement (although it can be made a scientific arguement) we dont need to know everything about the first cause, how it got there, or its birthday, just that the universe had a cause for its beggining. You would agree with that?
I don't find philisophical arguements useful. Perhaps my mind just isn't geared to make that kind of arguement or that line of reasoning. As far as the beginning of the universe is concerned, humankind has become aware through our scientific quests for knowledge through our most sensitive tools to become aware of how the universe existed in its first moments with theories based on that evidence all the way up to and including the singularity that was the true beginning of the universe as we understand it. Anything beyond that point is purely conjecture, but there are theories about how that singularity could arise due to quantum mechanics as well (which also comes into play well after the universe effectively ends) but it's still just hypothosis at this stage.
Even if you consider that to be the territory of the 'first cause' - adding god to the equation still belies an enormous and unnecessarily complex being before there was even a 'there' there and all arguements point out that this creator is 'infinate' or 'eternal' but for some reason the universe cannot be 'infinate' or 'eternal.' Which partly goes into the failing of that arguement.

But to answer your question, I would have to say that that answer is completely unknown and therefore cannot be answered at this time. As such, I cannot agree that such a thing is true or not.

(August 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm)solja247 Wrote: How so?
Because I have no reason to believe that all modern religions and the gods aren't figments of our imagination in much the same manner as the flying spagetti monster. Neither you or I can say for certain that it couldn't become a true, full blown religion at some point in time in the future that's given just as much credence than your faith or anyone else's.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

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Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Eywa - July 30, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by padraic - July 30, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Shell B - July 30, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 2:43 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 4:09 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 6:48 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by fr0d0 - August 7, 2010 at 7:12 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Tiberius - August 7, 2010 at 7:18 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 7, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Ace Otana - August 7, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Tiberius - August 7, 2010 at 9:27 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2010 at 6:45 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Mr Camel - August 7, 2010 at 12:33 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 9, 2010 at 6:11 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Mr Camel - August 9, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 9, 2010 at 7:37 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Mr Camel - August 9, 2010 at 8:32 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 9, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Mr Camel - August 9, 2010 at 8:46 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 9, 2010 at 8:42 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Darwinian - August 9, 2010 at 8:45 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by theophilus - August 11, 2010 at 11:45 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 9, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Mr Camel - August 9, 2010 at 9:26 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 10, 2010 at 1:45 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 11, 2010 at 5:52 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 11, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 11, 2010 at 8:20 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by padraic - August 11, 2010 at 10:40 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by solja247 - August 12, 2010 at 3:04 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by padraic - August 12, 2010 at 6:44 am
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by padraic - August 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Minimalist - August 18, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by padraic - August 18, 2010 at 11:33 pm
RE: Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical? - by Minimalist - August 19, 2010 at 12:21 am

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