RE: Where is Jesus?
August 16, 2010 at 1:25 am
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2010 at 1:27 am by Godscreated.)
(August 15, 2010 at 9:03 pm)chatpilot Wrote: It depends which biblical scholar you ask actually, since he might be biased by his pre-concieved beliefs to try and only look for evidence that might prove his case for the reliability of the gospels and the existence of Christ. If you really want something to laugh at then answer this question for me. If Jesus Christ was such a great man and teacher etc. and died on the cross as you say basing yourself on some false writings called the bible, then why are there no secular records of any of these events occurring throughout history from non-believers? Of course you could pull out the tired arguments about Josephus etc.
No secular historians during the alleged time of Jesus life and ministry ever wrote a single word about him. This is contrary to what the bible teaches since it says that he drew a lot of attention to himself and had a huge following Matthew 4:25
And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
Yet no one at the time thought that this man was important enough to write a single word about him during his lifetime. His trial is no where in the Roman records etc. Considering that he was raising people from the dead and performing miracles everywhere he went I would assume that word would get out pretty fast and others would want to write about him or interview him etc. The words attributed to him in the N.T. may not even have been his words since there is nothing in them that is unique and is not found in other mystery cults that pre-dated christianity.
"Forgive me for asking a Biblical scholar but I attempt to be a seeker of the Truth and I also asked any other seeker of the truth if they had any sincere questions."
You seem to be seeking "truth" that only agrees with your beliefs based on your baseless faith.
What you mean you do not seek your truth from nonbelievers who's biased against christianity ha, ha, ha now that's funny. Seriously though you must realize that the people who followed Jesus were most often uneducated people as most were in those days so the likelyhood that they could write was slim to none. Now just because they were uneducated that doesn't mean they were stupid or gullible as you will probably insist, they wanted to see this miracle worker for themselves and so the followings grew. What size of crowds we are not told except on two occasions when Christ feed the 5000 and again when He feed the 3000. The Jewish authorities of the day were looking for a chance to kill Christ so why would those of education (those who could write His story) risk their lives, they wouldn't. One of the best reasons people did not write about Christ they thought He was here to free them from Roman rule not to be the new covenant of God for all people especially the lowlife gentiles. Even after His ressurection the disciples and Paul thought that He would return to them very soon but when they realized that this was not what was going to happen they started to write so that what He taught would live on till His return. As far as His trial is concerned prove to us that the records for every Roman trial throughout the history of the empire is with us today or even less of an acceptable challenge prove to us that all the trials by the Romans from AD 29 through AD 34 are with us today. For historians of the time to write about a man claiming to be Christ, well that task would have keep them busy writting about His prophesy and not much else. Also most people especially those who were not Jewish knew nothing of this prophsey nor did they know much about God so why would they consider writting about a man killed on a cross. Since most people did not believe a man could be raised from the dead, even Josephus did not believe it, why would they believe that any of His life was historical. However the history of Christ's life, death and ressurection was lived, is being lived and will continue to be lived till His return and that is the way it was intended to be.
(August 16, 2010 at 1:06 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:@ godschild logic
Not my logic just logic period.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.