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Brilliant new apologetic fact
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)Pyrrho Wrote:
(February 13, 2015 at 11:44 am)orangebox21 Wrote: God created all things. Generally when using this statement the Biblical theist is qualifying 'things' to refer to the material world. God created all [material] things. Given that evil is not material, it is not a 'thing' within the parameters of this definition. Obviously evil is a 'thing', just not a material one.
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Unfortunately for you, the OP isn't about evil in the abstract, but about particular physical things, diseases and cancer. Being things, diseases and cancer were created by god, if god created all things.
Two points. In the initial creation account (where 'God created all things' comes from) there were no diseases. He did create them in a different sense later on as a consequence of sin, not of His initial creation which He deemed good. There is a difference between the initial 'creation of all things' and the world we observe today. Namely sin.

Secondly you'll have to prove that diseases and cancer are evil to make your argument. Are not chemical reactions amoral?

(February 13, 2015 at 11:49 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Yes, we've already established that is the right answer. It's also why god gives everyone cancer.
God gives everyone cancer??? Tongue

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Darkstar - February 5, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Alex K - February 5, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Alex K - February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 11, 2015 at 5:08 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Fidel_Castronaut - February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by abaris - February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Ryantology - February 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 5, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Ryantology - February 5, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 6, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Thumpalumpacus - February 5, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Heywood - February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 5, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Exian - February 5, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Cheerful Charlie - February 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 3:31 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by RobbyPants - February 6, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Strider - February 6, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JuliaL - February 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 6, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Thumpalumpacus - February 6, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 10, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by The Valkyrie - February 10, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 11, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 11, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Homeless Nutter - February 11, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 11, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by KevinM1 - February 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by JonDarbyXIII - February 11, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 11, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 12, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Minimalist - February 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FreeTony - February 13, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 7:46 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by dyresand - February 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Faith No More - February 13, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Homeless Nutter - February 13, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 17, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 18, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 18, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 18, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by orangebox21 - February 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 21, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 16, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Pyrrho - February 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by CapnAwesome - February 13, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by emilynghiem - February 17, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 16, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by FatAndFaithless - February 18, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Wiggy - February 21, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 21, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Wiggy - February 21, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Norman Humann - February 21, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Esquilax - February 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Tonus - February 21, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Mudhammam - February 22, 2015 at 3:09 am
RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact - by Zen Badger - February 23, 2015 at 12:20 am

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