(August 16, 2010 at 6:47 pm)solja247 Wrote: Since you and all the other atheists here are so learned on this topic in a couple of months time (I am rather busy at the moment) I challenge you to an official debate and anyone else for that matter.
You are ready to accept the fact that the book of the dead is real (although we have never found one) yet, you have the audacity to create a pseudo-theory about the origins of Jesus, while there is a large amount of evidence for His existence and resurrection.
Please be consistent, if you want to reject Jesus as being a real man. reject Plato and Homer as well. Dont chop and choose.
Quote:You said that only a few things were added to the NT. This fairly major thing was added. That was my point.
I fail to see how this story is a major thing. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
I think you are trying to build a vehicle with a hammer. You use the word scholar, but I don’t think you know what it means. You appear to use arguments voided of logic. You appear to start with the premise, “what my religious leaders have told me is true. How can I prove it?” The reason you cannot prove it is not your lack of knowledge. The reason you cannot prove it is that none of it is true. Your lack of knowledge is what prevents you from understanding that religion is a tool to control and profit, not what prevents you from being able to demonstrate the veracity of the story.
These are the same arguments I had when I was six years old and told my friends that Santa Claus is not real. They smiled all knowing and said, “you don’t know anything”. I just waited.
I don’t think you participate in the forum because you want to learn any thing. That is unfortunate because I found many participants very knowledgeable and intelligent, and you could learn a lot. I think you participate in the forum hoping to convert some and to “challenge” your believes so you come out “stronger”.
The first thing I would recommend is to study history and learn the difference between history and stories. That would allow you to check religious claims against reality. Greek mythology, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and other religions are stories because they are not based on what happened in the real past, but in the minds of their creators. Their creators are the people who created the stories from imagination.
History, on the other hand, is written from witnesses accounts, and it can be checked and argued like the news. The difference between the news and history is how long ago it took place. The events of WW II where news from 1939 until 1945. The news of the past are now history.
The news in North Korea will differ from the news in the US, but the events are reported by both with their obvious biases. You can always tell what probably happen by filtering who wrote it. The US will always report that the US is right and North Korea that they are right. Different historians offer, likewise, differing accounts of events, and the reasons for the events, but you can always get to the truth by filtering the biases.
Too complicated?
