Two babies discussion.

[Jenny A]

Secular thinking people advanced science.

When you say "secular thinking" people advanced science are you speaking about all those great christian scientists throughout the history of the western world after the time of Christ?

Yes, they would be included. You see it is not their religious thought that advanced knowledge. It was their secular activities that did, often despite church prohibitions. The big sea change in the Renaissance, was secular thinking after an extended period of primarily religious thinking which we now refer to as the Middle Ages. It's a bit much to both discourage and/or prohibit science and then take credit for it, don't you think? Especially since technological advancement slowed to a crawl with the beginning of Christianity and Islam.

But we're way off track from the original post now. This little side discussion began because you argued that there was evidence of god in the world. Arguing that religion doesn't do bad things, won't get you there. What positive thing does belief in god produce?

I gave you a bunch a few posts ago.

Really. Still waiting for that positive stuff.

Hint: Up until Christianity and late Judaism, morality and the after life were not the concerns of Western religions--crop fruition, child birth, and war winning were. The morality promoted in the New Testament is not original, and generally speaking it did not originate in religion.

Do you believe "no fault" divorce is okay? Do you think it's okay to hate someone? Is sex outside of the married state a good thing? Is desiring your neighbor's spouse without actually having an actual affair okay? Do you love your neighbor the same amount as you love yourself? And so on and so forth. Much new testament morality was original.

Marriage for life, love your neighbor as yourself, and don't envy your neighbor is not original to the New Testament. You need to read some Greeks. The Babylonians managed love your neighbor as yourself.