RE: Reason vs Consciousness
February 22, 2015 at 1:17 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 1:18 pm by Whateverist.)
(February 22, 2015 at 7:40 am)kskut Wrote: I am not sure you all understand what ontology is or the existential path to knowledge.
I'm equally unsure whether you understand "ontology", let alone "knowledge". An "existential path" to knowledge? This ought to be good. Go ahead, show us what you got.
(February 22, 2015 at 7:40 am)kskut Wrote: I understand atheism is not a worldview..no need to shout.
Who shouted?
(February 22, 2015 at 7:40 am)kskut Wrote: I see reason as a subset of consciousness, not apart from it. All I am really asking is do some, all, or no atheists accept that reason has its limits ..
You've already had this answered only to dismiss it as coming from people unqualified to understand ontology. Again, yes, when it comes to self knowledge, I hold many beliefs which are not the result of reason. I hold them by way of direct experience. I don't reject these beliefs for the lack of rational justification. Further, I act on these beliefs with confidence. However, what I don't do is call it knowledge in the interpersonal sense.
Knowing I have no justification that can be conveyed rationally, I realize that others will either share those beliefs or not according to their own experience. I have no self-knowledge claims I would attempt to persuade others to adopt.
I consider god belief to be a form of self knowledge. When someone tells me he knows God is there, what I understand is that this is a truth about their subjective experience. God is one way to relate to the totality of the self. It is far from necessary in my own experience but I don't begrudge anyone that interpretation. It just isn't anything they can justify to me or others anymore than I can justify my self knowledge.
(February 22, 2015 at 7:40 am)kskut Wrote: .., and that ontological paths to knowledge, as championed by the great existential thinkers, are equally or more viable than the mechanical rationalists of the Enlightenment Project, which many postmodern thinkers regard as "toast."
You over state your case.