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[Little Rik]

Where is the evidence that the universe stay alive and well without a mind and therefore the scenario is untenable?

Have you not read anything that I've posted in this thread? Minds are a property of brains. I gave you plenty of evidence for this on page 45, post #441 of this thread.

How do you know that the physical universe can exist without a controlling mind? Do you have evidence of this?

Have you not read anything that I've posted in this thread? Minds are a property of brains. I gave you plenty of evidence for this on page 45, post #441 of this thread.

If you haven't got evidence why then you guess that it is an untenable scenario?

Have you not read anything that I've posted in this thread? Minds are a property of brains. I gave you plenty of evidence for this on page 45, post #441 of this thread.

I can demonstrate that a body can not exist without a controlling mind

Nonsense. Of course a body can exist without a mind. There are corpses all over the planet which testify to this fact.

therefore it is obvious that the universal body has got to have a controlling mind.

Once again, please show me the brain of the universe.

This is pure mathematics Ben.

'Pure mathematics' (noun): the branches of mathematics that study and develop the principles of mathematics for their own sake rather than for their immediate usefulness

Nothing that you've said comes close.

1) I said that consciousness can be separated from the body and mind as experienced by thousand of NDEs not that the mind can be separated from the brain so please make a correction in your statement.

Claims to the supernatural assumptions regarding NDEs have been utterly disproven.

2) Yes i do claim that the mind control the body which part of it is matter.

That's not what you mean and you know it. You claim that there is a disembodied mind which is capable of creating universes. This is a supernatural claim that mind can control matter in some kind of telekinetic way. All claims to telekenisis, when reliably tested, have been disproven.

3) How do you know that i have no evidence that God exist?

Because no one has any. If you did, you'd provide it and not resort to the types of arguments that you're using.

Can you really enter my consciousness and perceive God within myself?

No. Psychic abilities are also hocum.

Again as you most probably are on the bottom of the list in God mind how would you expect to perceive God?

How do you know I'm bottom of the list? Did god tell you so? How do you know what's on god's mind?

So it is obvious that as you are unable to perceive it you presume that it doesn't exist anywhere else.

Or it's obvious that it doesn't exist. Occam's razor applies here.

Ben , you are in a total mental mess.
You try your best to follow physical scientific evidence which evidence is not.
Even in the site that you suggest it say.................Cardiac arrest (CA) survivors experience cognitive deficits including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). It is unclear whether these are related to cognitive/mental experiences and awareness during CPR. Despite anecdotal reports the broad range of cognitive/mental experiences and awareness associated with CPR has not been systematically studied.
You see?
It say that they still are not sure so where the hell suppose to be this evidence?
Get real Ben.
These guys still don't know what is the difference between the mind and the consciousness so how they possibly work out whether the mind is a product of the brain or the mind and consciousness are two separate things or the consciousness is a product of the mind or the other way around.
And how would they know whether the NDEs are real or hallucinationS when in fact physical science can not go over the border of this physical world and into the superconscious mind?
But as old granny said............IS NEVER TOO LATE TO LEARN.

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The problem with you however is that you wait, wait and wait for ever to find out whether there is something or not above the mind and in this way you will never get any evidence.
In this way the mind drag itself in the most dry of the desert.
I guess it is very difficult to find much evidence that normal life exist when you drag yourself in the middle of the desert.

Well thank you very much for your concern. But you really have the wrong guy. I don't wait for evidence to believe what can't be justified. Most of my beliefs about who I am, how I work and how to live a life are based primarily on irrationally held beliefs. I just don't take those important beliefs from a book or from a teacher. Rather, I grock them directly through experience and reflection on that experience. I too rely quite a bit on intuition even though I find the idea of a science based on intuition pretty funny.

So try not to worry too much about me, okay. I'm fine. I see no desert around me, quite the opposite. I like this life very much and it makes sense to me. I wonder if you assume your subjective conclusions are the only correct ones. While I prefer my own I don't claim them as objective truths and would never be so rude as to suggest anyone put aside their own directly felt beliefs for my own. Why do you?

You got to be very very careful mate.
Junkies, thieves and so many other people who do the wrong thing have a very developed intuition related to how they can avoid the cops but this intuition is not based on the conscious mind, it is rather build up by the lower portion of the mind.
I am not saying that you too derive this intuition from the lower portion of the mind.
All i am telling you is that you better be careful where you derive this intuition from.

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Nothing come for free anywhere so how do you expect to perceive God by doing absolutely nothing?

Except you want us to accept your beliefs for free.

Rather than worry whether i want you to accept my believes or not you should worry whether my believes make sense or not.
Does or does not make sense that if you want to know someone whether it is God or that beautiful girl that you have seen you should do something to draw their attention so to get a reciprocation?
This is the issue not whether i want you to convince you or not.

And how do you know that they are deluded?
That is why i asked you for evidence.
Capishhh?

The deluded cannot accept that doesn't agree with their already agreed conclusion. So try again.

Start from the beginning surgen.
First of all you got to make sure that there was an agree conclusion.
After that you can proceed to the next step not before.

Who cares?
Just go around your street corner and see your local dealer.
If he doesn't look like a zombies he must be an exception.
On the other hand someone who achieve peace of mind naturally look healthy and bright.

Thats just stupid.

It is very stupid to see how a junkie can be compared to a very healthy person which build up his-her health by doing the correct thing.

Gee, i should try what you are suggesting, you never know surgen.

Then you have accepted the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid into your testicles?

I used to have nightmares in the past so i had similar experiences but no not now thanks.

We got people who are castrated so why not regarding a castrated physical world.
Gee, surgen you try always your best but you keep on failing time and time again.

You fail again. There are other people who have working testicles. Their testicles keep the physical world from disappearing into non-existence.

No more nightmares please.
That time is over now.
God within bring peace of mind while nightmares bring bad feeling so guess who i choose?