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Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
Quote:Women go in for less well paying jobs, simple as. They also take way more time off work than men do, and visit their doctor way more often than men. Then of course, pregnancy makes it more difficult for women to work as well.
That is true, but why do they go? answer me this question, because this is the basic most fundamental explanation of the wage gap. Why the fuck isn't one gender interested in ruling, having power and earning tons of money + social prestige? Thinking

You are basically reducing everything to capitalism and labour choices. But it doesn't work like that. There's sociological and cultural influences to be considered. Why do you think some jobs have more males applying and some have more females (Disproportionally)? Don't you think it's at least a little weird considering both men and women have opportunities in education? How do you justify one gender making so different choices? Do you think biology accounts for all of this? Are men programmed to be leaders and women nurturers?
Quote:Okay, you shouldn't really insult other people when you quite clearly didn't understand what I was saying. I wasn't talking about all men all over the world, only an idiot would think that I was saying that. I meant in, for example, an office. All the men are paid more than the women for the same jobs. So why doesn't the employer fire all the men that work there, hire all women and save money?
Mwaaaaah he insulted me because I was telling the truth!

Because:
It is illegal in most countries to fire someone for their gender

Firing 50% of the workforce would cause the collapse of the company and families would starve

Additionally, most high ranking jobs are occupied by men so the company needs to keep at least the male leaders.

And some jobs are male dominated and have mostly males working there so it is counterproductive to fire them. It would mean a burden to the company.
Quote:Not all doctors are equal. As a male doctor, you are more likely to earn more money, simply because they go into higher paying jobs. Women are more likely to go into lower paying jobs like pediatrics because they like children more, whereas men are more likely to be brain or heart surgeons, which pay more.
And why do men go mostly for high paying jobs and women go for jobs with childrens? C'mon Wolf, you can do better than that. Question everything. You can't say "women don't want better jobs so it is a choice" and not question why those choices happen. Why do you honestly think that women don't go for jobs with positions of power and high paying jobs and, curiously, go mostly for jobs related with children or jobs that have secondary and less prestigious functions (example - Nurses are considered secondary next to doctors by society)?
Quote:You still haven't given me any examples of jobs where men earn more than women for exactly the same work.

Quote:Can you show me a graph where 100 people, 50 men and 50 women and only the men got the jobs?
You are the one disputing an accepted fact, so you're the one who needs to provide evidence. I am merely questioning your assertion. Look, I've always liked the following link to explain the wage gap:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/f...story.html

Quote:There are, indeed, more women in low-paying occupations such as social work and education, and more men in high-paying fields such as engineering. Yet that doesn’t go very far to explain the gender pay gap. As Harvard labor economist Claudia Goldin has said: “There is a belief, which is just not true, that women are just in bad occupations and if we just put them in better occupations, we would solve the gender gap problem.” Goldin has found that the pay gap is widest in some of the highest-paying fields. Female financial specialists make 66 percent of what their male counterparts make, female doctors earn 71 percent, and female lawyers and judges make 82 percent. That’s all controlling for age, race, hours and education.

The following is a link for occupations:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/ashe/annua...occupation

It's for the UK, but as you can see almost every job has a wage gap.

Quote:Oh I can argue my case, I just don't want to, not with unpleasant people like Dystopia who goes into a SJW rage every time feminism is mentioned.
Of course you don't want to, how convenient. Be careful with what you call me, I'm not what you classify as a SJW, but I'm not an ignoramus either and I have a brain to realize life isn't equally easy for both sexes. And now my unpleasantness is the reason you're not arguing? Thinking I don't go into a rage, I just dislike dunning-kruger and people making wrong assumptions. I'm trying to be reasonable. I consider I might be wrong, and if I am I will reformulate the position accordingly, but everytime a discussion on feminism comes up you're the one who starts on the premise that feminism is wrong and therefore what comes associated with it is false as well. You should at least consider that your point of view can be wrong sometimes. You made the conclusion that there's no unequal pay anymore, that's a very extraordinary claim even for economists.

Edit - I didn't know if you noticed but the quote before your last reply is wrong - That was said by @I_am_not_mafia
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you




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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community? - by Dystopia - March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm
SPEEDBUMP - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 4, 2015 at 9:42 am

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