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Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
(March 3, 2015 at 5:17 am)Delysid Wrote:
(March 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: I thought it was obvious from my post. Absolute unequivocal gender equality for everyone.

Got a problem with that?
First of all, let's relax with the hostility. I am attempting to have a civil discussion here and you've been tossing around some hints that you're looking to take this elsewhere.

To clarify, I was making an educated guess that this is what you meant, but I wanted to see you answer the question so we can both be 100% clear. Now, if you don't mind, could you explain to me exactly what you mean by unequivocal gender equality? Could you maybe give some examples or explain what this looks like on a societal scale? Also, could you give some examples of where this equality does not currently exist or is lacking?

I hate to answer your questions with more questions, but if I understand your position clearly than I can have a more informed conversation with you. But I'll politely ask you to drop all of the "got a problem with that?" nonsense because quite honestly that will take this discussion nowhere very quickly.

The reason I said "Got a problem with that?" was that I had assumed that it was not in question that unequivocal gender equality was a desirable state to achieve. I was frankly amazed that anyone would question it.

I can't see how you can question whether we currently have gender equality considering the ongoing wage gap and the existence of the glass ceiling that has already been discussed. So I can only assume that from what you are saying, you are questioning whether it is desirable.

So let me ask you this. Should black people be given equal rights? Do you believe that they should still be slaves? No? Well maybe you think as long as they have the chance to work then that's all that matters. If you are someone who never questions the status quo then you would not likely to have been thinking that 200 years ago in America. But then even after slavery was abolished, there was still a legacy of poverty and bigotry to overcome. Or do you think that it was OK that black people were only given menial work and not even proper rights until they fought for it in the 1960's?

Should gays be able to get married to members of their own gender? Yes? No? What about making homosexual acts illegal? Should we go back to a society where gays need to pretend to be straight and live in a sham marriage in order to survive?

Maybe you believe in equal rights for blacks and gays, but then why shouldn't there be equal rights for both men and women? Either we work towards a society where there are the same basic rights for everyone regardless of who they were born as, or we should be honest about wanting the current society because we personally benefit from it. Let's not try and equivocate about specific instances or indulge in victim blaming.

Do you personally wear anything other than a white shirt and black tie and only ever ask for a short back and sides at the Barbers because anything else would be effeminate? No? Well you have gender equality to thank for that.

This is from the Dismantle Misogyny facebook page.




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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community? - by I_am_not_mafia - March 3, 2015 at 3:40 pm
SPEEDBUMP - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 4, 2015 at 9:42 am

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