(March 3, 2015 at 4:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: On your part it's called manipulation to support what you want to believe,Says the Christian apologist, who, by definition, begins with the conclusion and looks for reasons to believe it.
Quote:You've completely ignored the fact no baptism took place in those verses,In fact, I pointed that out. He completely glossed over the baptism because JtB had, by that point, sunk so far onto his knees that the Christians didn't even want to give him credit for that.
John does mention the dove, though, which tells us that he was talking about the events around the baptism.
Quote:John was answering questions that happened earlier.Prove it.
Quote:It's not me with the fevered imagination, I seek the truth for scripture, I've even questioned God about scripture, yet kept searching them until I was able to see the truth, without manipulating them,You didn't answer my question.
To repeat, what do you base your assertions on aside from your imagination?
Quote:you blatantly took the verses out of order to make them say what you wanted them to.No, I quoted the entire passage and then said, "OK, here he said this and there he said that." The entire passage is quoted for everyone to read and review for themselves.
Quote:Go back and look at every scripture I've discussed here and you'll see I do not use such tacticsBut you do. You say, (paraphrase) "well, John wasn't giving us an order of events". You're making excuses for blatant contradictions rather than admit the contradictions exist.
Quote:What events, you've pulled up a few verses and not even used a context with them. poor on your part.Oh sweet reason, you're going to make me read your Bible to you?
The Gospel of John Wrote:1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
1:37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
1:38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
1:39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
1:40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
1:44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
I could go on but suffice to say, this is not only a timeline but one detailed enough that we get a day-by-day account.
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