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[Little Rik]

I beg your pardon surgen.
Can your 5 senses be able to grasp the mind?
Do you know what the term ABSTRACT means?
Did you just wake up or something happen to you?
I get a bit worry about you mate!

Can you grasp a computer? No not the piece of sophisticated machinery before you, but the computer? You want to make a distinction where there is none. The mind is the result of the brain. Please point to a mind that can live without a brain.

You know what you remind me surgen?
You are like that boxer that after many KO still believe that he is able to fight back but in this way he get more and more ko.
1) First of all i never said that the mind can not live without a brain.
Please read my post properly or if your memory is not that good you should go back and read again my post.
2) The fact that the mind can not live without a brain DOES NOT mean that the mind is the result of the brain.
In fact is the other way around as the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness and the brain is the material necessary for the mind to operate just like a material car is the material or vehicle for the driver to carry on.
It never happen and it never will happen that the bottom give birth to the top.
Always the top give birth to the bottom.
This is the way mother nature works.

So your long long studies in the field make you adamant that this is the case.
So let us see the evidence.
In the meantime my practice into the intuitional field tell that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness and the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness.

LOL, you don't study, you assert. You cannot demonstrate any of your claims.

Most of the atheist believe in Darwin but Darwin came to his conclusion just by OBSERVING.
You don't even bother to observe the truth within so how can you possibly come to any sort of conclusion?
You don't even know what is the difference between mind and consciousness and then you think that you can understand how the very basic works.
Get real surgen.

Gee, surgen today is not your day.
You are telling me that something crude and material like the physical brain can give birth to something a lot more subtle and sophisticate like the mind.
Is a bit like saying that a donkey can give birth to a human being.
I am afraid mate that you reach a stage in which you need serious help. (no offense although)

Yes, a brain can give birth to a mind. Like a electronic pieces can give birth to a computer.

In your faulty thinking you forget that the electronic piece was created a programmed by a human mind so it is ALWAYS a mind that come first never the other way around.
Gee, now i really feel sorry for you for this new KO.

Actually i never said that.
I rather said that the consciousness can exist without body and mind as experienced by thousand of NDEs.
Try to read my statement a bit better please.

Then show me a consciousness that exist outside a brain. And your NDEs stories is not evidence like alien abductions stories are not evidence.

Why don't you have a chat with all those EX-atheist that became believer after their NDE.
Don't risk surgen or you are going to experience a further KO.

Wrong again mate.
Even the non physical things are able to make you scratch.
You remember when you fail in your exams how many times you scratched your head in disbelieve?
You never thought about it surgen, did you?

Oh, the stupid. Come back to me when you actually learn to reason.

Surgen try to understand.
A good Ko should be taken as a learned lesson.
To try to resist only damage you more and more.