RE: Why I'm Still a Christian
March 4, 2015 at 4:09 pm
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2015 at 4:39 pm by Lek.)
(March 4, 2015 at 1:50 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes! I certainly do.
You forget. He's all powerful! He can do anything! Anything! If something causes suffering, he is deciding to add that suffering.
Yet you treat him like he has all these arbitrary barriers to work around to excuse his inaction.
He can make all of us happy all of the time and appreciate being happy without having to have suffered first.
But he doesn't. He knows exactly how much suffering is going on, and he says "meh".
Why make excuses for him? He's a sick evil cunt and I'm glad I don't have to pretend he exists. I'd do a far better job, anyone except the most ruthless psycopath would. I'd stop suffering instantly. Just like that. See?
Don't say that you called on him then. You didn't ask him to show himself to you, but rather you asked him to do what you thought he should do, and he didn't do it. It we are to call on him, then we must be willing to accept who he is, otherwise we're not really seeking him. You have certain criteria for what God should be and if he's not that, then he just isn't at all.
(March 4, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Pretty sure you missed my point, which was that you worship a god who dooms to death all humans who ever lived in history, for the "sin" of the first two.
I just use that word "apple" because it underlines exactly how ridiculous this entire story is.
He didn't doom us to death. In fact he offers us all eternal life.
Quote:Justify Auschwitz, then. Go on. Justify the Cambodian genocide. Leukemia. Chattel slavery -- oh, wait, that's Drich's gig, sorry.
Point is, your faith prefers to justify evil rather than correct it.
My faith doesn't try to justify evil, but rather condemns it. Christ commissioned us to avoid evil and to love and help our fellow human beings. If we would all do that we could eliminate a huge amount of the suffering that goes on in the world.
(March 4, 2015 at 1:54 pm)robvalue Wrote: I would have stopped suffering before it took me the time to type to you asking why he doesn't do the same. Number one priority.
Shouldn't take long with endless power.
Would you stop suffering instantly Lek, if you could? Would you make everyone happy?
Yeah you would. You're a good person.
Ah! Maybe you don't think he's all powerful? It would make your case a lot, lot easier to defend if he wasn't.
That's it, isn't it. He's not all powerful, and that is why he must allow some suffering for the greater good. Because he can't just stop it entirely.
Right?
You're still trying to create God in your own image. You accept the state of the world without God in it easily enough, but you can't imagine that there is any reason that God would allow it to be that way. I don't worry about why God let's it be that way. I just go on with my life trying to make it better like I'm supposed to do. And that is what God wants us to do. We're not supposed to sit around and ask God to do everything, rather we are to be his hands and feet in the world. That's what christians are called to do, and if we're not doing that then we are failing God.
(March 4, 2015 at 1:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: He never "does" anything that can't happen by itself.
Yeah. Just put a bunch of dirt together and give it enough time and it will do all that stuff. Wait a minute. Gotta make the dirt first!
