RE: Meanwhile in Romania...
March 4, 2015 at 11:06 pm
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2015 at 12:11 am by Zenith.)
(March 4, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Dystopia Wrote: It seems Romania has a problem with religion, fortunately your government seems to be making the right call, something hard to find these days. The Romanian population probably needs some re-education on secularism.
This is the funny part: You've got it all wrong!

1. Most of us hate the Prime Minister and the Government. The Prime Minister is much hated for being and having been a tremendous liar, for having led a Communist-style propaganda in his attempt to become President, because he and his political party had been fighting to promote a law that would have prohibited the Justice system from investigating politicians and many other state officials like mayors, for having attempted to restrain the Romanians of diaspora from voting at both presidential elections (and succeeded, partly) , for using to smile like a retard, and so on.
2. The government does anything but the right thing. We've got one independent politician (deputy) who's an atheist, and who's really taking his responsibilities seriously (for all matters, not only for the cause of non-believers). For the other politicians he's like a laughing matter. There's an emerging political party, which I hope one day will earn significant percentage. (here you can't start a political party unless you are a very well known person and are already supported by hundreds of people in all counties - which is much more than it sounds, for a small country like ours). The government (and the Prime Minister) donated a lot of money to the Orthodox Church for it to preach into Churches to the people that he (the Prime Minister) must be voted for presidency. And quite a number of important Church officials had been recorded preaching into public "Vote X!"
The budged (how money from taxes is to be split within the state) is made by the government, and they came this year with a huge amount of money to be given to the Church. Much higher than in the previous year, as I know.
3. The Romanian people is quite... divided... basically in two:
a) secular - mainly youth, people who do not believe in God, or do believe in God, or even call themselves Christian Orthodox but believe that the Church no longer serves God and the people. They are right wing, pro USA and pro EU, pro democracy.
b) traditional / conservative: most of them are people from villages, and older people. Here there are also people who don't believe in God but say that "Whoever does not support the Orthodox Church is not a true Romanian!" because of the socialist education they had received in their youth where the main responsibility of the Church is "to unite the people". Most old people are left wing, pro Russia, anti-USA and anti-EU, pro communism and anti democracy and anti capitalism. Except, perhaps, the large number of villagers who...I don't think they quite know the difference, and they vote whichever party gives them 1kg of flour or 1 litre of oil, and get carried in vans / cars all over during the election day to vote for multiple times, for additional money.
I believe the religiosity of the people in Romania, as very probably all the post-communist countries, is rather shallow, in the meaning that most don't care about the Bible (the Church doesn't even teach people to read the Bible, AFAIK), nor keeping commandments. They care about keeping traditions, preserving the traditional values, being "united" and (ultra)nationalistic, and living in fairy tales about our history (legacy lies of the communism where we had been the best country in the world, all around, and that we saved Europe from Islam in the middle ages). But most people, I believe, go to Church at most twice a year, besides marriages and baptizing the babies and funerals.
P.S. It's funny that the Church had said that "in almost all the European countries, Religion is taught within the public educational system." because... the West is seen by the traditional side as the great "evil" in this world, there are the countries which "killed God" (in the meaning that they're not that religious) and USA is seen the same. The USA had influenced our culture a lot (from the language, to music, to etc., also worldview and morals) which is in great contradistinction to the traditional / communist culture and the values it promoted, so USA is 'the great evil'. Besides, USA is the wicked country that bore the Church of Satan (as if all americans are satanists or support them) - but this only to those who happen to be aware that such a thing exists.
P.S. The communists that we still have believe that the great powers, mostly the western countries like USA and those in EU had joined their forces in 1989 precisely to plunder and steal our country off our resources and industries we hand, and that they had been the people in the shadows orchestrating the execution of our communist dictator - the greatest man that ever lived, in their minds.
P.S. Romania's recent history (25+ years ago) is covered by communism, where all politicians were bragging, one more than the other, of how atheists they were. And the first president who came after the execution of the dictator, who used to brag about being an atheist during the dictator's time, had switched to making the sign of the cross and showing high respect to the Church, for popularity. And now every time the Church and the traditional side talk about atheism, they complain again about the harsh of communism where they couldn't build churches, were forbidden to hold classes of religion, priests were thrown to jail (mostly catholic, in the later part of communism) because of their faith, people being harassed for stating that they believe in God, etc. So they see the secularisation and atheism as a return to the (unpleasant) part of communism. So yes, it's a bit tricky.