Where is Jesus?

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And that's absolutely fine OO, but Irh9 made a positive claim about theism not being the best source to find Jesus (completely illogical to me) and he still has to substantiate it.

Tackattack,

You appear not to be fanatical, and that is a good thing, but then I see some of the illogical conclusions you draw to justify your faith, and I am left wondering.

You start from the premise that there is a god and that it is Jesus. Then you try to cast doubt on the evidence that he does not, never did, and never will exist outside of people’s imaginations.

Try to imagine for one second how a non-believer of Greek Mythology must have felt about all the believers in ancient Greece. He must have felt like a sane person in a nut house. Could you not imagine that a Roman citizen who did not believe in the pre-Christian religion of Rome would have felt the same emotion as the non-believing Greek? (You belong to the “newer” official religion of Rome, Christianity)

How would you feel if you lived in a Muslin country, where they blare the loudspeakers to call to prey 5 times a day ?

If you can imagine those three scenarios, you might start to understand how an intelligent atheist must feel around so many believers.

The reason Irh9 made a positive claim about theism not being the best source to find Jesus is for the same reason that a person who believes Superman is real is not the best source to ask if Superman exists. We already know the answer by definition. By the way, I want you to know that believers and non-believers have more in common than you might think. The true and original meaning of the word atheist means “without god”. That makes all of us atheist because god does not exist and, therefore, none of us have one.

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Well firstly IrH9 is a Muslim, therefore I do presume he acknowledges Jesus' existence, it's a matter of tautology whether he's the son of God or simply a man. At the very basest he is presumed to be at least a man with insight into God's nature, from a theist standpoint. From the atheist standpoint you're talking about he is purely fictional, and I can understand that. That is the very reason why, if you are looking for Jesus, it's illogical that you don't at least start your search with theism, because some atheists don't even believe he existed. I have been to a Muslim country and can envision the other 2 scenarios quite easily. But I see no flaw in the logic that to find something you must start looking where that thing is, not where it isn't. If you disagree then please explain so I can understand your views better.