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Square-circles Vs. God
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
(March 12, 2015 at 3:11 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(March 12, 2015 at 6:14 am)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: Yes. And that eliminates the God of Judaism, Christianity, Islam et al that is defined as perfectly good and moral and concerned with our well being. If such a God existed and created the rules and laws and metaphysical necessity of the Universe, we'd live in a far different Universe than we do. So all of this is a reductio ab absurdum for the concept of a biblical God that creates all.

I'm not arguing for any gawd. Just pointing out that an omnipotent gawd, if it created the universe, could do whatever the fuck it wanted to said universe. Change the laws of physics?!? Sure. No problem.

Would it be a very different universe? Probably, but that's entirely beside the point.

Its a very big problem for those religions such as Christianity, Islam et al that define God as being good and perfectly good at that and who cares about us. Such a God not being limited in any way except by his nature (perfect goodness) would be perfectly good of his own free will. Such a God would of his free will, never do moral evil.

A God that is morally indifferent or ammoral is not the God of supposed revelations (pick your favorite) which so many theists tell us we must take as absolute truths. So that dodge is not a way out for what I call the pest religions, Islam, Christianity et al.

But now they have to admit the metaphysical necessities, the most fundamental basics of reality are outside and beyond God. Naturalism is proven logically.

This fundamental naturalism is necessary in the technical sense. But God in this regard is dispensable if the theists can't demonstrate a God that fits into this scenario actually exists and can be squared with their favorite revealed theology. The burden of proof most certainly shifts to the theist here.
Cheerful Charlie

If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain
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Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Chad32 - March 6, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2015 at 4:32 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 6, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Chad32 - March 6, 2015 at 10:41 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 6, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by downbeatplumb - March 7, 2015 at 5:07 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 5:24 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by professor - March 7, 2015 at 8:53 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Chad32 - March 7, 2015 at 9:24 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 7, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 12, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ravenshire - March 11, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 12, 2015 at 6:14 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ravenshire - March 12, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 12, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 13, 2015 at 8:01 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by wiploc - March 11, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by dyresand - March 11, 2015 at 11:47 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Minimalist - March 11, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Alex K - March 12, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 12, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Angrboda - March 12, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Pizza - March 12, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 12, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Whateverist - March 17, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 12, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 12, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 12, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 13, 2015 at 4:41 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Mudhammam - March 17, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 17, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Whateverist - March 17, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 17, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 18, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ignorant - March 18, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 18, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 18, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 5:45 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 19, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Mudhammam - March 19, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 19, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Pizza - March 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 20, 2015 at 7:29 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Whateverist - March 20, 2015 at 8:07 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 20, 2015 at 8:10 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 20, 2015 at 8:44 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 20, 2015 at 9:50 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 20, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 20, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 23, 2015 at 8:16 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Mudhammam - March 23, 2015 at 8:24 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 23, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 23, 2015 at 8:39 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 23, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 20, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 5:37 pm

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