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Square-circles Vs. God
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
(March 12, 2015 at 9:01 pm)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: But now they have to admit the metaphysical necessities, the most fundamental basics of reality are outside and beyond God. Naturalism is proven logically.

This fundamental naturalism is necessary in the technical sense. But God in this regard is dispensable if the theists can't demonstrate a God that fits into this scenario actually exists and can be squared with their favorite revealed theology. The burden of proof most certainly shifts to the theist here.
Agreed. The conclusion from this line of reasoning is that if there is a God, there can be no coherent version of God that is compatible with the natural laws (logic included). While we can speculate about the possibility of this "God", any attempt to define it's properties can be readily dispensed as illogical. All we could say is that "There may be something, and you can call it God, or whatever you want". But you can't really stake claim to anything else beyond that because, as Rob pointed out, there isn't anybody here that is privy to anything that everyone else is not, no extra sense that we don't all share. If it were possible for some to know things about such an entity, it would be possible for everyone, and any such entity that can understood by logic would be bound by it, and would be ultimately unqualified to be "superomnipotent" as Apo put it.
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Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Chad32 - March 6, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2015 at 4:32 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 6, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Chad32 - March 6, 2015 at 10:41 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 6, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by downbeatplumb - March 7, 2015 at 5:07 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 5:24 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by professor - March 7, 2015 at 8:53 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Chad32 - March 7, 2015 at 9:24 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 7, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 12, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ravenshire - March 11, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 12, 2015 at 6:14 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ravenshire - March 12, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 12, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 13, 2015 at 8:01 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by wiploc - March 11, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by dyresand - March 11, 2015 at 11:47 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Minimalist - March 11, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Alex K - March 12, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 12, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Angrboda - March 12, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Pizza - March 12, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 12, 2015 at 4:36 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Whateverist - March 17, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 12, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 12, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 12, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 13, 2015 at 4:41 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Cheerful Charlie - March 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Mudhammam - March 17, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 17, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Whateverist - March 17, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 17, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 18, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ignorant - March 18, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 18, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 18, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 5:45 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 19, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Mudhammam - March 19, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 19, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Pizza - March 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 20, 2015 at 7:29 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Whateverist - March 20, 2015 at 8:07 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 20, 2015 at 8:10 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 20, 2015 at 8:44 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 20, 2015 at 9:50 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 20, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 20, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by FatAndFaithless - March 23, 2015 at 8:16 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Mudhammam - March 23, 2015 at 8:24 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by DeistPaladin - March 23, 2015 at 8:36 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by Ben Davis - March 23, 2015 at 8:39 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 23, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by The Reality Salesman - March 20, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Square-circles Vs. God - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 5:37 pm

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