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[Little Rik]

[quote='Surgenator' pid='898247' dateline='1426347376']
Prove me wrong. Oh wait, you can't. All you can do is assert bullshit and arrogantly apply your ignorance.

My senses, consistent experiences, and predictable outcomes. What's yours, feelings?

reality

Look Ricky don't try to hard to think or your nerve cells may collapse.
But don't worry, Surgenator is always here to help you.

Look brother, let me put it in a yoga way.
Of course you will reject this point but if you have something else that make more sense say so but please not the usual garbage.
According to yoga the real reality is the one who turn his thinking into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.

See the bolded words I can agree with.

But again this universe is a reality because if a brick fall on me i will suffer a lot.
But again this universal reality is not the supreme reality but a relative reality confined within space and time.
Sarkar gave the onion example to understand this philosophical point.
An onion has got many layers.

No that's ogres.

The core of the onion is at the center and layers after layers make up the whole but the core is the real thing while the external layers are less and less sort of powerful.

You of course have some evidence for this.

That is the same thing when compared to our consciousness.
The core is the pure consciousness or God and the external layers are the different strata of the consciousness mind.

This is just pure bollocks isn't it!

So when you pretend to know what the reality is by using your external mind with the help of your physical senses you just fool yourself.

[sarcasm]Yeah we are fooling OURSELVES[/sarcasm]

It is only by getting at the core of the consciousness that you will understand what the reality is.

It is only by applying scientific methods that we will understand what reality is.

You may say that the reality is what is perceived with your senses but your senses and your mind are related to this FINITE universe.
Finite also means that your mind will never be satisfied as we humans always look for more and more in order to give a sense of total satisfaction and peace of mind.

Takes a taste.
Yep that's the pure stuff.
You do make the finest bull.

Anyone who say that they find total satisfaction within this universe is a liar.
If that would be the case people would stop rowing and struggling but they don't and the struggle continue so they are liars.
This clearly means that the reality is not external.

Your words seem unrelated to your conclusion here.

Its like saying " I live in a bungalow. Therefore fish can talk Cantonese"

But don't despair brother.
Rik is always here to help you.

Well that's a relief.

Among all this pack o'garbage that you write i choose one of your question when you say...............It is only by applying scientific methods that we will understand what reality is........
Your scientific methods are related to this physical universe which is constantly moving and changing.
How do you expect to find something that doesn't move and change within this physical reality?
As i just explain to brother surgen the real reality is unchangeable therefore it is obvious that your scientific method can not possibly understand the real reality.

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The fact that you guys are still running in circles with this yahoo is impressive.

Gee, i never thought that i could rely on your great intellect to find a solution to all my problems.
The heaven sent you here Fat.
Can you please help me to understand this important question.
Do you think that if an hypothetical God exist he should manifest in an atheist life considering that most of the atheists are not interested in knowing an hypothetical God?
Would you really show any interest in anyone who is not interested in you?
Please Fat try to help little rik.