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[Little Rik]

Among all this pack o'garbage that you write i choose one of your question when you say...............It is only by applying scientific methods that we will understand what reality is........
Your scientific methods are related to this physical universe which is constantly moving and changing.

So your take away thing from the whole of the scientific method is.
"Things change so why bother"

There is nothing wrong with things that change.
The wrong thing is to believe that among 100% change you can find something that DOESN"T change.
The river flows and flows.
Have you ever seen a river that all of a sudden stop flowing 100%?

How do you expect to find something that doesn't move and change within this physical reality?

With evidence.

Show me the evidence that there is something that doesn't move and change in this physical reality and i will cover you in pure gold.

As i just explain to brother surgen the real reality is unchangeable therefore it is obvious that your scientific method can not possibly understand the real reality.

That was just a statement with nothing to back it up.

By showing you that anything that move and change can not be the real reality it is obvious that the universe can not be the REAL reality.
From here even a demented idiot would understand that the REAL reality is elsewhere other than in this universe.

The fact that you guys are still running in circles with this yahoo is impressive.

Its like prodding an ulcer with your tongue. You know you shouldn't but just can't stop yourself.

Plumb let me explain how the system in this case works.
Your outer mind being stuck in the corral of dogma think that rik is wrong but your real consciousness tell your outer mind to carry on knowing that the little rik is right so you carry on and on without knowing why.
But your deep consciousness knows for sure.

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You try to be a little bit intellectual but unfortunately you fail.
Consciousness is like the sun.
The sun is always there as the consciousness is always there but the problem is that between the consciousness and our perception of this consciousness there are the clouds that prevent us from having a 100% perception.
The mind therefore can only perceive part of this sun or consciousness UNLESS we remove the clouds in between.
The job to remove these clouds can also be done in a physical-mental way but in this way the job is very very hard indeed.
It is like a plumber that instead of using a spanner to unscrew a rusted tap use his bare hands.
It is not impossible but by not using the correct tool you will have to go through the physical and mental hell.
That is way since the old old times smart people have always relay on the proper teacher to know how to solve this problem.

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Pure bullshit. Please give me one example where the consciousness exist outside of a mind or a mind existing outside the brain.

Sometime after reading your posts you make me feel like i am a primary school teacher and you are a pupil with hearing problems so i have to repeat the same things time and time again.
I already said that the consciousness can live outside of a mind as proven by thousand of NDEs and i never said that the mind can live outside a brain so please stop asking the same question time and time again.

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Demented idiots rely on the pleasure found in the sexual life only while totally ignore, neglect and disregard the advantages that would come by engaging in the spiritual life so it is obvious that they haven't got a clue about the result that would come from activate the pineal gland.

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Even those who study physical science can not understand the real role of this gland therefore it is natural that they only understand the physical side of this gland.

And you know because of ??? You pulled out of your guru's ass.

No, actually i know because i rely on maths and science.
The glands on top of the spinal cord are delivering the thinking and the consciousness so it is obvious that they are a lot more important and sophisticated than glands delivering sperm.

If you take from my previous example you should have take it in full not only part of it.
I said that as we create something in our mind also God create the universe in his mind but the difference is that God being God he make his creation real not abstract as our.
The 5 fundamental factors that make the universe are real.

Then your analogy doesn't apply.

It is obvious that according to an atheist anything that relate to God doesn't apply
Being there done that sur.
So carry on.

Sorry mate but as proven by thousand of NDEs the consciousness doesn't need a body to be alive and well.
Wrong again brother.

Prove it. Where is my computer without microprocessors?

Thousand of NDEs are prove of it.
Even the ex atheist confirm that.

You can try this experiment by yourself.
Pour a glass of cordial in a container of water and see if the cordial get diluted or not in his potency.
The same apply with the pure consciousness and his outer layer like the mind.
Surgen for Christ sake why don't you think twice before to write something.
You only hurt yourself in this way. hock:

Let me go find my container of pure consciousness that I put next to the tooth fairy and try this experiment. :dodge: You still didn't answer the question, how is your view falsifiable?

You do this experiment every single day.
Even now that you are reading this post your mind try to find the correct answer to reply to my writing.
Your mind dig from your subconscious mind which is a lot more powerful than the outer mind itself.
You see surgen.
The more you try to talk bullshit and the more you sink in the quick sands.

Let us put my analogies to the public and see what they think about.

If the public is the ultimate authority, I expect you to be christian. Christianity is the biggest religion. But you want your brand of bullshit to be immune to popular opinion.

These days most of the Christians are no longer fanatical like they used to be so it is very likely that they will express their judgement without so much bias.

Try with the cordial mate.
Even a demented idiot can see the difference.

No wonder you don't like physical world, you don't even understand the simple stuff like different types of atoms. You cannot fathom the natural complexities and self-ordering that occurs from physical things. So you cling to bullshit notions of spirits in your antiquated understanding of the world.

Atoms will soon loose their importance.
In the near future people will care more about the smaller particles that compose the life in this universe like the microvita.
http://microvita.org/

I already answer your question surgen.
Just look back in the previous post and you will see my answer.

No you didn't. What you said is a dodge. Now answer the question, what make you think the universe cares two shits about you?

Again you are acting like a pupil with hearing and in this case with visual problems.
Sorry pal, if you want go back few pages and look at my answer.
I am not going to waste my time repeating the same thing time and time again.

Wrong again surgen.
I have been working as a nurse for the last 25 years.
During this time i have been dealing with hundredS of sick people before they die so i think i have enough knowledge about the issue.

I have a hard time believing you are actually a nurse. Your understanding of the human body is dismal.

Your opinion doesn't really concern me.

Sorry sur but you are wrong again (again and again).
The reality doesn't change therefore can not be found in this physical universe where everything move and change.
What is real one minute is not real the next minute.
You get rid of the time and place and then you can find the real reality.

My glasses stopped being my glasses if a minute passes. That is insane. Oh look, a minute passed, and my glasses are still mine. Have you been stealing prescription medications from the supposed hospital you work at?

If the reality is in this universe than these guys would feel a lot of pain but they don't.
Now brother surgen do one thing.
Drink a relaxing chamomile tea.
Relax on your best cough and let your subconscious try to understand why this is possible.
And then let me know.


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