Are you an Islamophobe?

[RobertE]

The last major war was WW2, and all the parties were non Muslims. I don't remember Muslims being present in anything, until Britian invaded Muslim land & converted it by the sword to Judaism (mmm since you can't convert somebody to judaism, they just kicked the people out and brought jews from everywhere to take their lands ).

First of all, what other reason would the Grand Mufti have to visit Hitler and Himmler if it wasn't for war reasons, They both shared common goals in that both Muslims and Hitler (who was raised a Catholic and was influenced by Martin Luther who himself was a Christian and liked the Jewish at the start but then had some sort of unhealthy hatred for them) wanted to exterminate the Jewish people from Europe. Let me give you some information. For the last 2,000 years, Jewish people have been part of major European countries, and the first religion that attempted to exterminate them were the Catholics, we only have to look at the Spanish Inquisition and the way they treated Conversos (Jewish people who were forced to convert to Catholicism.) In the end, it counted for nothing because they were wiped out. So, this continued throughout the centuries and to be honest, the forced conversion of both Catholics and Muslims go hand in hand, both brutal and if you don't convert, you have a 99% chance of dying.

As for the Britain invaded muslim land? Please tell me which land, since I cannot remember. However, I do remember the Desert Rats in El Alamein. Secondly, if your remark was about Palestine and how the Britains converted others to Judaism, you couldn't be more wrong. Please try again. Here is a quote from a link:

Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as “the most important asset of the native population.” Ben-Gurion said “under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them.” He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. “Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement,” Ben-Gurion added, “should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.”

It was only after the Jews had bought all of the available uncultivated land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: “They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay.”

Not much to be said about that quote is there?


In a nutshell, what he is trying to say is that the British offered the land to the Arabs since they were simple people and they relied on agriculture for a living. However, because the land was not viable to them i.e. they couldn't grow crops to sustain human life simple because of the condition of the land as bolded above. What good does it do for a farmer to try and raise crops when nothing will happen? Either way, they sold the land to the Jews and they took the opportunity to become wealthy. It is like a first refusal on a car. You offer someone first refusal to someone who wants the car, then he realises that the car doesn't go fast, so after the test drive, he decided to say "no thanks." No harm done, so the seller sells the car to someone else who isn't really interested in the speed but the idea of getting around easier with very little effort sounds appealing to him. So, he buys the runaround. A few weeks later, the same guy (the first refusal guy) comes back and demands the car that was offered since he cannot buy a speedy car because he has insufficient funds. The guy cannot make a demand for the car, he has no right to. It is no longer an option, he was asked if he wanted to buy it, he said no, end of story.

Not much to be said about that quote is there?

Well, the cold war came, it was a war between non-Muslim states. I don't remember a "Khalid" or a "mohammed" in the Cuban missile crisis. Yet I do remember a filthy dirty CIA game to arm Sunni militiants against Russia in Operation Cyclone back in the 80s, which opened hell's gates on the region.

Who supplies extremists with all these fancy m4s & Ak-47s ? who gives them the latest models of Humvees in Iraq ? who used the Sunni/Shia conflict to put oil into the turmoil, since a sunni-shia war = $$$$ for western gun makers ?

If you want to know, it is an ideological war, a sectarian war between two branches of Islam, where there will be no peace. Suffice to say, there is no love lost between the extremist Sunnis, the Sh'ias, Wahabists, Salafists. If you think the Sunny-Shia war is a recent thing and was started by the West, the you clearly are living in cloud cuckoo land, and doing what every single religious person does; blame everyone else except for themselves. As far as I'm concerned, nobody likes war, not even me, but you made your bed, you lie in it. If people are stupid and gullible enough to believe the writings of some religious nutbag like God, Jesus, Allah, Mohammed or Charles Manson, then they don't deserve any respect. Just leave us sane ones out of these silly theological wars. The only thing that will cause the end of this world is not going to be Communism, not nationalism, not capitalism, but theocracies who think they can destroy mankind because they hear voices in their heads.[/color]

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Now, the same story is happening allover Europe, and the far rightists are on the rise.

The one thing I know, or at least the only image that reaches me, is that I'll be torn to pieces in the west for being a Muslim, and end up losing everything, including my own life . And truly, the only image I see, is military officials from the west supporting dictators. Again, as distorted as this message is, my topic in R'iyeh is exactly how I see my image in western mentality : my media told me that. Though I'm not that dumb to follow it blindly.

Eventually led me to manifesting my view : we are all humans, it's our culture that makes us grasp the illusion of difference ; eventually we are all members in the same family.
Sorry for the lecture.

Aren't you a bit of a closet bigot? Your post comes across as such, and as such, I know that in every religion, it is only a minority that messes everything up. Everyone knows that. However, what you have done is to generalise nearly one billion people by stating that you will be torn to pieces in the west for being a muslim. That is the biggest pile of horse manure I have ever read. A westerner has more chance of dying in the middle east for saying that there is no God at all than you practicing your own religion, either in Europe or the United States, that much is clear. Secondly, you'd be surprised what a Muslim can get upto given the freedom they have. In the United Kingdom, muslims are well known for trying to introduce Sharia law by telling people to put their beer down or if a woman wears a short skirt. It is England, land of the free to do whatever you wish. However, those who oppose the sharia law are being silenced by the authorities. Muslims have more rights in the United Kingdom than the Indigenous people do.