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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
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RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
March 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Alright.
If you trace a chain of causes and effects back far enough... well, you can't do so infinitely. Because of entropy over time, there had to have been some point at which the universe was in its "most orderly" state, and the entropy has increased from there. Wouldn't it make sense to conclude that an outside force (call it "god" if you feel like, though it isn't necessarily "god", according to any traditional understanding of that word) intervened to start the chain of cause and effect, to create the orderly universe and set it into motion?
I'm fully aware that my personal understanding of physics is inadequate for this discussion. Tongue The explanation seems to be that physics were entirely different prior to the Big Bang, and the second law of thermodynamics didn't apply then? (at least not in the same way it does now?)
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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LastPoet - March 18, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LostLocke - March 18, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Cato - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 19, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 19, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Aractus - March 19, 2015 at 10:42 am

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