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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
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RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
March 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm
(March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm)Chuck Wrote: If laws governing the universe does not menifest itself in laws of the universe, how would you know what they are??

We don't.

(March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm)Chuck Wrote: The problem with this is laws of the universe is the only set we have reason to believe to apply anywhere based on observation.

Yes, that is quite a problem for us, which probably has a lot to do with why we don't know exactly what happened before T=0.

(March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm)Chuck Wrote: If one cavalierly throws out the only set of law that we have reason to suspect to exist, then one might as well admit one is not trying to find out what really was, but is prepared to accept anything thay sounds good without constraint.

The constraint is logic. To presume that the laws within the universe apply to the universe is to commit a fallacy of composition. Any implication that this means "one might as well admit one is not trying to find out what really was, but is prepared to accept anything thay sounds good without constraint" is entirely in your own mind. I am not prepared to accept any statement, no matter how good it sounds, about the universe unless it is supported by evidence.
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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LastPoet - March 18, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LostLocke - March 18, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Cato - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 19, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 19, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Aractus - March 19, 2015 at 10:42 am

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