(March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I don't really mind entertaining the idea of a first cause, though I've explained in the other thread why none of us are obligated to; first causes aren't always gods, that's a separate claim that requires more substantive addressing than just "but there's a cause, though!"Right. I think the ancients may have been on to something with the idea of a self-sufficient principle or necessary being. The fuck up, unfortunately, that has overstayed its welcome oh, for only a couple thousand years, is the totally irrational metaphysical division of body and mind, and then to simply declare self-sufficiency for the latter on a dubious basis and declare a victory for their ancestral mythologies, because well, what the hell.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza