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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
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RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
March 19, 2015 at 12:22 am
(March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm)GriffinHunter Wrote: So, a recurring theme which I observe in the explanations here is the response to my admission that I can't wrap my mind around the issue. You guys say that it's natural to not be able to understand this stuff, there are a lot of unknowns and we really don't have answers, but reality is not constrained by our ability to grasp it; if something is true then it is true, whether we understand and acknowledge it or not.

My concern is that all of that sounds remarkably similar to what the theists tell me to believe- "God is real even if we cannot comprehend him. It may not all make sense but the fact that you can't wrap your mind around it logically or scientifically doesn't mean it is false."

The two are not remotely equivalent.

It should be very obvious that reality is not limited by anyone's ability to understand it. Even if it were, who's limitations are we talking about? The smartest person? The dumbest? Does each person get their own reality? In George W Bush's reality, the freaking can opener couldn't exist.

God is not limited by our comprehension either but where is the reason to believe in him? There's no reason at all.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LastPoet - March 18, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LostLocke - March 18, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Cato - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 19, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 19, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Aractus - March 19, 2015 at 10:42 am

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