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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
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RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
March 19, 2015 at 10:42 am
I shall quote the reply I sent you in your first thread:
(March 18, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Aractus Wrote:
(March 18, 2015 at 11:28 am)GriffinHunter Wrote: How do you guys refute the "Kalaam" argument? (some kind of supernatural, transcendent force or "god" must exist because of the necessity for a First Cause which is beyond matter, space, and time)
Until the day we fully understand the universe, we may never have an answer to that question that will satisfy everyone. But not having an answer doesn't mean that we are expected to produce one.

All of our models of the universe are limited. For instance, there's no way to use quantum mechanics in order to successfully land a probe on Mars, no matter how "accurate" it is at describing the microverse.

Matter is presently theorised to exist due to gravity alone. Gravity causes matter and antimatter to separate, due to compressing and "curving" spacetime. That mechanism in conjunction with an expanding universe is what causes matter to exist. It doesn't cause the universe to exist, nor does it give it its properties, but it does fully explain the first part of the question.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LastPoet - March 18, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LostLocke - March 18, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Cato - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 19, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 19, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Aractus - March 19, 2015 at 10:42 am

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